Monty on trial?

[DH1875]

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Lorient may beg to differ.

Yip.

[Eyrie]

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Is that not one of the very things we had to assure the SFA wouldn't happen?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...t-bournemouth/

"The SFA’s articles on dual interest state that nobody who is involved in the management or administration of a club, or has any power to manage or influence the management or administration of a club should be able to do so for another club."

It's up the the Black Knights to decide whether the summer cheque says £500k or £5m.

That is influence, whether it is written down or not.

[007]

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It's up the the Black Knights to decide whether the summer cheque says £500k or £5m.

That is influence, whether it is written down or not.

Can they do that? Just reduce how much they're paying for the c25% from the contracted amount down to £500k?

[Dr What If?]

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Can they do that? Just reduce how much they're paying for the c25% from the contracted amount down to £500k?

Nah, that initial investment is to purchase shares, that won't change. We will find out for sure post AGM but I assume that will be through the creation of additional ordinary shares, diluting everyone else's holding but not reducing the amount of shares held. I would expect that investment to be used for tangible improvements (EM and ER improvements) though there may be some spend on players, improved contracts, specialist coaches, etc.
What is exciting about Foley is the promise of additional investment going forward, effectively money to bring in higher value players. This additional investment won't be in exchange for shares - it will be for players he can take to Bournemouth, Lorient or elsewhere.....or it may be for the profit on a sale. It could be £1m a year or it could be £10m.....it may very well dictated by our performance on the pitch. If we are playing in Europe it would certainly provide more confidence for larger investment.

[matty_f]

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Is that not one of the very things we had to assure the SFA wouldn't happen?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...t-bournemouth/

"The SFA’s articles on dual interest state that nobody who is involved in the management or administration of a club, or has any power to manage or influence the management or administration of a club should be able to do so for another club."

Was going to reference that as well. Been some chat that they’ve just said he’ll not interfere but the reality is that he will, but for that to be true they’d have to lie to shareholders, the SFA, and the supporters and what - just hope nobody notices?

[Hibeesdaft16]

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Was going to reference that as well. Been some chat that they’ve just said he’ll not interfere but the reality is that he will, but for that to be true they’d have to lie to shareholders, the SFA, and the supporters and what - just hope nobody notices?

They can always go seek advice over the other side of the city about how you deal with that sort of stuff

[Onion]

Any new 20% investor will seek assurances that their money will be used wisely and affectively, before they hand over a penny. Part of that will be looking at those that spend and use it. To date, Monty's been given very little to spend, which historically is a measure of how highly a manager is held at Hibs.

IMO Monty is under scrutiny until the end of the season. His performance working with what he has will determine if he's going to get a bean to spend on new players, or if we Strat again. Tough, but fair.

[Hibeesdaft16]

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Any new 20% investor will seek assurances that their money will be used wisely and affectively, before they hand over a penny. Part of that will be looking at those that spend and use it. To date, Monty's been given very little to spend, which historically is a measure of how highly a manager is held at Hibs.

IMO Monty is under scrutiny until the end of the season. His performance working with what he has will determine if he's going to get a bean to spend on new players, or if we Strat again. Tough, but fair.

Why wouldn't he be sacked if we fail to reach the top six? Maloney was after a less amount of time, Boyle sold in the January window and a ***** heap of a squad bar Nisbet?

ICT beat us next week, and there's a real possibility it will happen based on what I seen with my own eyes in Forfar he should be gone.

[Since90+2]

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Was going to reference that as well. Been some chat that they’ve just said he’ll not interfere but the reality is that he will, but for that to be true they’d have to lie to shareholders, the SFA, and the supporters and what - just hope nobody notices?

Think it would depend on the definition of influence, and it would also be impossible to prove. Having an "opinion" for instance that the Gordons also happened to agree with would not fall foul of the rules.

[Johnny_Leith]

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That same squad got Johnson sacked this season despite the 5th place finish last season and the Luzern tie this season, with almost no one arguing the case it wasn’t time for Johnson to go.

The luzern tie, particularly the home leg is a good example of issues out with the manager. We played 442 that night and Newell & levitt as our two. Newell was everything I want in a midfielder that night and drove us up the park and was approaching McGinn levels that night. Compare his, and Levitt’s, performance yesterday and over the last few months and it can’t be put solely down to formations and Johnson &Montgomery IMO.

The squad pre January signings will get any manager sacked within 12 months or so IMO.

I disagree, I don't think the squad was bad and there's been flashes of what they're capable of.

As had been well discussed on here, the 4-4-2 of that night is a different style to the 4-4-2 of Montgomery. We did not have a rigid philosophy we had to abide by that night, we didn't have one of the strikers dropping into midfield all the time and we could be direct when required. Our centre miss also didn't play on the toes of the centre halves and we played players in their correct positions.

We also had the flexibility to change the approach for the away leg, which gave us more solidity in the middle of the park and made us dangerous on the break.

Any competent manager could get better results than Montgomery with the pre January squad. If anything, there's been some incredibly poor debuts from the new guys and very little to suggest we've anything special, apart from maybe marcondes. Early days and I'm by no means writing these guys off but none of the new guys look ready to hit the ground running.

Last season we should have finished Third, we just couldn't finish our chances first half of the season then got much better when nisbet was available. We've totally changed that approach, despite replacing nisbet with a strike with an excellent goal scoring record and we've, imo, regressed significantly. It's not all on the players although they need to take some responsibility but the manager should be able to get more out of them.

[J-C]

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Lorient may beg to differ.

£50m in player sales and £22m in bought players, sitting mid table 2nd bottom. I think the 2 big sales were their better players who they haven't replaced. They're in a tough league after promotion a few years ago, probably looking at 4th/5th for European football similar to us.

[J-C]

Black Knight can't interfere as such but their share will still mean they have a strong voice on things moving forward, especially if they intend to invest more in the future.

[Henderson2Del]

I am curious why the players seems so disinterested at times. I feel we have gone backwards under NM, are the players so fed up with the same old system and tactics failing and just sticking to it?

Are they being turned into robots being so rigid?
The players , manager and football side of the club is a mess.

I cannot see NM recovering this at all. I’d bin him today.

[Stubbsy90+2]

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£50m in player sales and £22m in bought players, sitting mid table 10th. I think the 2 big sales were their better players who they haven't replaced. They're in a tough league after promotion a few years ago, probably looking at 4th/5th for European football similar to us.

Lorient are 17th out of 18 teams.

[Hibeesdaft16]

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£50m in player sales and £22m in bought players, sitting mid table 10th. I think the 2 big sales were their better players who they haven't replaced. They're in a tough league after promotion a few years ago, probably looking at 4th/5th for European football similar to us.

They are odds on to get relegated.

[J-C]

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They are odds on to get relegated.

Yea I was looking at a different date table wise, edited it.

[Alan62]

There's absolutely no question that Montgomery is on trial - if not by the board then certainly by the fans. He came in on a wave of optimism and has turned that to dust with a succession of dreadful performances, awful team selections and inadequate tactics.

As it is, he has all but lost the support from the stands. Saturday's atmosphere was as toxic as any I have seen at Easter Road and that usually signals that a manager's tenure is coming to an end. I'd say he has a very small window of opportunity to turn that around. While we may not hold out much hope for Wednesday's game against Celtic, we'd expect to progress in the cup against Inverness on Saturday. If we see pitiful performances in both games, then I can't see him being in charge for the trip to Aberdeen.

[fiolex1]

Currently Hibs sit on a 26% win rate in the league. If we don’t win on Wed or Sat this will fall to 24%. The standard of the league isn’t great this season and to be sitting on 26% is criminal. A massive game for Monty on Sat if he doesn’t win, jotters for me.

[Smartie]

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Currently Hibs sit on a 26% win rate in the league. If we don’t win on Wed or Sat this will fall to 24%. The standard of the league isn’t great this season and to be sitting on 26% is criminal. A massive game for Monty on Sat if he doesn’t win, jotters for me.

Saturday is huge for me too, to the extent that I'd almost be sacrificing Wednesday to give us the best chance of getting a result in Inverness.

Any sort of win in the cup, Celtic game out of the way, regroup and try to salvage what we can out of the rest of the season.

Meanwhile - I'd expect our recruitment team to be getting a few ducks in a row regarding out of contract players who might be able to join up with us next season in time for pre season training starting.

[Chipper1875]

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Saturday is huge for me too, to the extent that I'd almost be sacrificing Wednesday to give us the best chance of getting a result in Inverness.

Any sort of win in the cup, Celtic game out of the way, regroup and try to salvage what we can out of the rest of the season.

Meanwhile - I'd expect our recruitment team to be getting a few ducks in a row regarding out of contract players who might be able to join up with us next season in time for pre season training starting.

I have no confidence in our recruitment team

[Smartie]

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I have no confidence in our recruitment team

To me it depends on the remit they're working to.

It might be that they're doing an excellent job of delivering exactly what and who they are expected to, both by the football department and those above them (BK? The board? IG?)

The summer activity was presumably delivered to play the way LJ wanted to play. He was hoofed with a week of the transfer window to go. Just because those players don't necessary fit under Monty doesn't mean that the recruitment team hasn't done it's job.

That the whole football operation in general is a shambles isn't up for debate - just who is most culpable, whether it is those setting the expectations and hiring/firing managers, the recruitment team, or the present managerial incumbent.

[Chipper1875]

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To me it depends on the remit they're working to.

It might be that they're doing an excellent job of delivering exactly what and who they are expected to, both by the football department and those above them (BK? The board? IG?)

The summer activity was presumably delivered to play the way LJ wanted to play. He was hoofed with a week of the transfer window to go. Just because those players don't necessary fit under Monty doesn't mean that the recruitment team hasn't done it's job.

That the whole football operation in general is a shambles isn't up for debate - just who is most culpable, whether it is those setting the expectations and hiring/firing managers, the recruitment team, or the present managerial incumbent.

All good points. LJ said consistently from day one in Hibs club, he wanted to play high tempo and high pressing game. Still waiting on players who can play that way.