Penalty to Sevco shock

[Kato]

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I think you're being too kind.

The closed shop of the West coast refereeing fraternity and their frequent admission of their bias, on the after dinner speaking circuit, suggest it's all by design as opposed to anything else.

It's corrupt.

Well said. You have to able to see all aspects of it. The above culture, described well plus the actual statistics make a good case. The fact penalties for teams other than rangers aren't looked at garners more fuel to the fire. It is a bit tin hatty but we can all see who gets most favours. When the pre 2012 Craig Thomson was racking up bookings/red cards and pens against Hibs people thought his bias didn't exist until someone did the statistical analysis to show it most definitely did. Sometimes your gut instinct is correct and sometimes you just have to believe your eyes.

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[Chorley Hibee]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

Industrial scale cheating by Rangers went on for years in this country, yet neither the media, the law in this country (was it not English police that shed the light on them), nor any other stakeholders, saw fit to deal with what was staring them all in the face.

If that whole episode, and the fall out from it, still doesn't convince people that the game is corrupt in this country, then nothing will.

[WhileTheChief..]

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No it’s not- signed Barry Robson.
No its not - signed Peter Lawell

Did it get them anywhere?

Since when did we ever pay attention to either of these two?

[Pretty Boy]

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Someone shared an example from our home game against Dundee earlier in the season. Hanlon, right in front of goal, is getting his shirt pulled. The image is as clear as you like.

The issue here isn't that Rangers got a penalty that wasn't merited yesterday, you can easily justify the decision (and they are all over social media shouting about how nobody should be complaining at a clear penalty being given). The problem is that almost no other club gets that penalty (with the caveat that St Mirren got a similar one against us a few weeks back).

Aberdeen should have had a penalty and (IMHO) a red card should have been shown to Goldson in the game yesterday. There was our penalty claim v Killie (I think - Newell on the touchline), or v Aberdeen. Hearts had one on Saturday, an absolute stone-waller as well as our claim on Saturday on Miller, that should have been a penalty.

Why do Rangers get that review when they really need it?

If refs want to find a foul then they will find one, particularly in congested situation like set pieces.

How often when you played amateur football did a ref make a mistake by awarding a corner or free kick, almost immediately realise the error and as soon as the corner or whatever was taken blow for a defensive free kick? You even see it in the pro game. Ref makes a decision, reaction of players tells him he has got it wrong (it happens) and as soon as the resulting set piece is taken they blow for something they would let go in any other situation but it's an easy fix for their error.

It's the same principle. If you look hard enough at most set pieces that end with a high ball into the box then you will find something you can justify giving a foul for; penalty or defensive free kick. Equally, as in the case of Hanlon v Dundee, you can choose not to see certain infringements as well (or rather you just don't obsessively try to find them).

The penalty incidents in the LC semi finals are another example. I still think it's debatable whether the keeper on Vente was a foul but the referees instinct was to say no and the VAR officials backed the ref. Contrast that with the game on the Sunday when the ref had his whistle in his mouth and was pointing to the spot before the passage of play had even fully unfolded. It's not that neither of the Rangers penalties were so, it's that the refs have a natural instinct to look on them more favourably.

I'm not even alleging cash stuffed brown envelopes. I think refs are just terrified of the backlash from their fans if they miss anything so they are naturally inclined to favour them and terrified of missing anything. Easier to give that penalty yesterday and have a few disgruntled fans moaning on social media as opposed to having a full on backlash from the Rangers fanbase and the club. When you see where the vast, vast majority of top level refs come from then I think it's also inarguable that being in the right group and playing the game so to speak is a smart career move. Ultimately allowing self preservation and career advancement to negatively influence your decision making is still dishonest and arguably corrupt.

[ancient hibee]

I read somewhere yesterday that at the refs/coaches review meeting the refs said that grappling in the penalty area need not always result in a foul-it depended on where the ball was.
I read in the paper today that at the meeting refs emphasised their desire to clamp down on grappling in the penalty area!
If people can’ t even agree what’s been said no wonder it’s a shambles.

[Keith_M]

The first Scottish Cup Final was in 1873.

The first time a Scottish Cup Final had a referee from Edinburgh was in 1980.... 107 years later.

To date, only three Scottish Cup Finals have had Edinburgh Referees.



Nope, no West Coast bias here.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Stats, Facts, Hibsnet ,Social Media,elon musk ,Paranoia !!


Here is a real fact

My Grandfather Jimmy Devlin,who was Hibs daft would have been 122 years old this year.
He told me this story/tale when i was a schoolboy.
And it was an older family member who at first told him this.

Scenario

Crowds exiting Ibrox after game v Hibs, pre WW2
Punter from high tenement window above shouts down

"what was the score ?"
"Nil nil"!! came the angry reply from the blue throng below!

Voice once again from tenement window
"Who missed rAngers penalty ?"

I rest my case,m'lud
Its went on for a hundred years.
Maybe even more !

Nothing changes.

[wookie70]

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I looked this up last night and it appears it was January 2022 against Aberdeen.

just watched the highlights and the Dons were denied a stonewall pen that should have seen McGregor sent off before Haji scored immediately after. So even in the last game they got a pen against the ref strongly favoured them.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12519266/aberdeen-1-1-rangers-ryan-kent-sent-off-as-scottish-premiership-leaders-held-at-pittodrie

[lapsedhibee]

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Industrial scale cheating by Rangers went on for years in this country, yet neither the media, the law in this country (was it not English police that shed the light on them), nor any other stakeholders, saw fit to deal with what was staring them all in the face.

If that whole episode, and the fall out from it, still doesn't convince people that the game is corrupt in this country, then nothing will.

Alex Thomson at Channel 4 News plugged away at it, and got plenty of abuse from **** for doing so. No windows in Scotland to tan though, so he kept on going. Good man!

[PHeffernan]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

Thank God, a sane voice in a sea of madness.

[McD]

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Industrial scale cheating by Rangers went on for years in this country, yet neither the media, the law in this country (was it not English police that shed the light on them), nor any other stakeholders, saw fit to deal with what was staring them all in the face.

If that whole episode, and the fall out from it, still doesn't convince people that the game is corrupt in this country, then nothing will.

The same media continue to ignore all of that, you never hear a peep about any of that stuff that happened with rangers. It’s been whitewashed from history as far as they’re concerned.

[HoboHarry]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

If you really believe that you haven't been paying attention.

[gbhibby]

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Thank God, a sane voice in a sea of madness.

There is a credibility issue though

[Chorley Hibee]

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Alex Thomson at Channel 4 News plugged away at it, and got plenty of abuse from **** for doing so. No windows in Scotland to tan though, so he kept on going. Good man!

A quote from Alex Thomson at the time...

"The biggest organised cheating scandal in the history of Scottish football – probably British football and possibly in British sport"

Yet we're still being told, even by fellow Hibs fans, that the game isn't corrupt.

Sorry, but it's laughable.

[Donegal Hibby]

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Thank God, a sane voice in a sea of madness.

Most Scottish clubs forums are discussing this , it might be a sea of madness to some though I think that there's been enough controversial decisions and facts to justify that there's corruption in our game !.

[neil7908]

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Thank God, a sane voice in a sea of madness.

Have you read the stats previously posted? This isn't about one off decisions.

Can you explain why Sevco have so few penalties awarded against them at a time they have been distinctly average? This isn't some all conquering team. They have been miles behind Celtic recently apart from one year, and yet they are consistently getting a massive number of decisions in their favour, time and time again.

[007]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

There is bona fide evidence of sectarianism, are the media and law all over that? Do you think there's no sectarianism in Scottish football?

[neil7908]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

Remember when Rangers went bust? Despite what the rules said, what did the football authorities do?

They desperately tried to parachute them back into the SPL, and when that didn't work, the First Division of the SFL.

This was an opportunity not afforded to any other club that encountered the same issues as Rangers. There were rules for this kind of event and precedent, and yet a fix was created to benefit one team, along with warnings of "Armagedon" if the authorities didn't get their way.

So you've got literal evidence of the authorities ignoring their own processes to help the same team that now seems unable to get a penalty awarded against them, and got 12 consecutive home draws in the cup (at 1/4096 odds), and your reaction is that it's all just conspiracy theories?

[PHeffernan]

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Have you read the stats previously posted? This isn't about one off decisions.

Can you explain why Sevco have so few penalties awarded against them at a time they have been distinctly average? This isn't some all conquering team. They have been miles behind Celtic recently apart from one year, and yet they are consistently getting a massive number of decisions in their favour, time and time again.

If there is a conspiracy those conducting it have been beyond incompetent considering the only team that could beat Rangers have won the League 11 seasons out of the last 12. Hell, their kit man could manage them to 2nd place every season.
Let that sink in, 11 seasons out of the last 12 they have finished in the lowest possible SPL position it was possible for them to finish.
As such it would qualify as the worlds most rubbishly executed conspiracy.

The top 4 threads on this board are currently this one, Cantwell Dive, Block 7 and Boycotting Scottish Football.
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I enjoy watching scottish football, I love supporting Hibs, I have no interest in and don't get bent out of shape about penalties for or against Celgers. They play in their own 2 team league and last season both spent close to £60 million in wages. As such there are no circumstances were we are ever competing with them in the SPL just like there are no circumstances were they are competing in the Champions League.
As the speccy guy said, natural order and our real fight and interest is with the fortunes of the other 9 clubs in our league.

[HoboHarry]

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Remember when Rangers went bust? Despite what the rules said, what did the football authorities do?

They desperately tried to parachute them back into the SPL, and when that didn't work, the First Division of the SFL.

This was an opportunity not afforded to any other club that encountered the same issues as Rangers. There were rules for this kind of event and precedent, and yet a fix was created to benefit one team, along with warnings of "Armagedon" if the authorities didn't get their way.

So you've got literal evidence of the authorities ignoring their own processes to help the same team that now seems unable to get a penalty awarded against them, and got 12 consecutive home draws in the cup (at 1/4096 odds), and your reaction is that it's all just conspiracy theories?

Not to mention all of those "imperfectly registered" players. Every single game that any of those players played in should have been reversed to a 3-0 defeat for oldco, instead it was swept under the carpet and a new company was allowed to keep the old clubs titles. Rotten to the core and Hibs and every other club stood there staring at their shoes with their fingers in their ears.

[Zazu62]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...s-31540626.amp

[SickBoy32]

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If there is a conspiracy those conducting it have been beyond incompetent considering the only team that could beat Rangers have won the League 11 seasons out of the last 12. Hell, their kit man could manage them to 2nd place every season.
Let that sink in, 11 seasons out of the last 12 they have finished in the lowest possible SPL position it was possible for them to finish.
As such it would qualify as the worlds most rubbishly executed conspiracy.

The top 4 threads on this board are currently this one, Cantwell Dive, Block 7 and Boycotting Scottish Football.
Tears, tears, tears and more tears. Neurotic.net

I enjoy watching scottish football, I love supporting Hibs, I have no interest in and don't get bent out of shape about penalties for or against Celgers. They play in their own 2 team league and last season both spent close to £60 million in wages. As such there are no circumstances were we are ever competing with them in the SPL just like there are no circumstances were they are competing in the Champions League.
As the speccy guy said, natural order and our real fight and interest is with the fortunes of the other 9 clubs in our league.

What a terrible post that is, just nonsense start to finish. Happy to roll over and get your belly tickled, at the same time having a dig at folk calling out the blatant corruption within Scottish football.

FWIW I’ve seen the **** finish below ‘the lowest place they could possibly finish’ a few times. Have some ambition.

What an awful outlook you’ve got, must be trolling.

I would support a total boycott of the home match vs the *** in January, and refuse any ticket sales in the away end too. Let’s be bold, enough is enough.

[The Modfather]

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These threads appear every now and again, then the feelings simply fade away.

If there was actual, bona fide evidence of corruption in the game, the media and law would have been all over it.

We've never heard a peep out of any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, or any other stakeholders.

Not a peep from Sky or any other major companies that put their money and reputation into the game either.

Whilst I agree the stats suck, it's too much of a stretch to say the whole game is corrupt. It's only ever fans on forums that think this way!

Sectarianism goes on every week yet we never hear a peep from any officials at Hibs, ex-employees, sponsors, other stakeholders, sky or other major companies. That subject also appears on threads on here and then dies away again. That doesn’t mean the problem of sectarianism only exists on fans forums and not in the real world of Scottish football.

[GreenCastle]

There is definitely a west coast bias in the Scottish game.

That can’t be argued against.

Rangers and Celtic NEVER play each other first game of the season.

They are on Sky TV more than others.

They have their own ends at the national stadium.

They have nearly all the refs from the West Coast

That’s just a start but anyone who doesn’t that is deluded.

[JimBHibees]

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If you really believe that you haven't been paying attention.

Indeed

[Pretty Boy]

Corruption doesn't have to mean money changing hands or officials acting under explicit instruction to favour Rangers. It can just mean referees and other officials within the game doing what is best for their own career and when you look at the demographics of the people who reach the top then I don't think favouring Rangers does anyone any harm when it comes to rising through the ranks.

It's hardly exclusive to football. How many people have seen colleagues with no obviously exceptional talent promoted way beyond their competencies at work because they have played the game in a way that others haven't? With refereeing it becomes a cyclical issue as well; refs from outside the Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire bubble see their colleagues consistently overlooked for promotion so there is less incentive to take up refereeing or really push to reach the top level as less talented people will get the nod before you for reasons outside of competency. Plenty guys who refereed at EoS level and the like would testify to that. Andrew Dallas is a prime example, a bigger case of nepotism you will never see. The guy was bordering on a joke when he was coming through the ranks, totally out his depth yet he was consistently advanced when far more talented referees stagnated.

You can call it paranoid conspiracy if you like but when Fergus McCann took Jim Farry to task way back in the late 1990s, alleging he deliberately delayed the registration of a player so he missed a semi final v Rangers, an independent commission found in his favour and Farry was forced to resign. Was that an isolated incident? You can dismiss so much as conspiracy theory if you like but when you consider everything that has happened with Rangers in the intervening years then I'm far from convinced. There is an inherent bias towards them at almost every level of governance in the game in Scotland; it might not be openly spoken about or under explicit instruction but there is only so much that can be explained away as simple coincidence.

[chippy]

A Hibs supporting journalist friend told me way back during Alex Miller’s tenure that Alex told him that the extent of bias toward Rangers throughout the Scottish game was massive- that he wouldn’t believe how deep it was

[JimBHibees]

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Alex Thomson at Channel 4 News plugged away at it, and got plenty of abuse from **** for doing so. No windows in Scotland to tan though, so he kept on going. Good man!

Yes he absolutely called it out as it is and was such a breath of fresh air. Wish he would come back and do the same. His analysis of the succulent lamb media summed it up. Craig Whyte sending the Record sports editor a club statement to check if ok says it all about that relationship. Absolutely corrupt to the core.

[JimBHibees]

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Corruption doesn't have to mean money changing hands or officials acting under explicit instruction to favour Rangers. It can just mean referees and other officials within the game doing what is best for their own career and when you look at the demographics of the people who reach the top then I don't think favouring Rangers does anyone any harm when it comes to rising through the ranks.

It's hardly exclusive to football. How many people have seen colleagues with no obviously exceptional talent promoted way beyond their competencies at work because they have played the game in a way that others haven't? With refereeing it becomes a cyclical issue as well; refs from outside the Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire bubble see their colleagues consistently overlooked for promotion so there is less incentive to take up refereeing or really push to reach the top level as less talented people will get the nod before you for reasons outside of competency. Plenty guys who refereed at EoS level and the like would testify to that. Andrew Dallas is a prime example, a bigger case of nepotism you will never see. The guy was bordering on a joke when he was coming through the ranks, totally out his depth yet he was consistently advanced when far more talented referees stagnated.

You can call it paranoid conspiracy if you like but when Fergus McCann took Jim Farry to task way back in the late 1990s, alleging he deliberately delayed the registration of a player so he missed a semi final v Rangers, an independent commission found in his favour and Farry was forced to resign. Was that an isolated incident? You can dismiss so much as conspiracy theory if you like but when you consider everything that has happened with Rangers in the intervening years then I'm far from convinced. There is an inherent bias towards them at almost every level of governance in the game in Scotland; it might not be openly spoken about or under explicit instruction but there is only so much that can be explained away as simple coincidence.

Yep the Farry incident was despicable then resigned and had signed a convenient non disclosure agreement. Celtic should have sued his ass off. The number of ex refs doing the circuit bragging about being Rangers fans and being allowed to referee their final game at their favourite ground simply says it all.

[matty_f]

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Yep the Farry incident was despicable then resigned and had signed a convenient non disclosure agreement. Celtic should have sued his ass off. The number of ex refs doing the circuit bragging about being Rangers fans and being allowed to referee their final game at their favourite ground simply says it all.

Did Hugh Dallas not have to resign after circulating a sectarian email? I’m sure the referee’s strike came on the back of Celtic being awarded, then not, a penalty, in an incident that the referee or their assistant (i can’t remember the exact details) lied about to cover up the decision.