Are they allowed to bet on anything?
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Thread: NHC: Ivan Toney
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18-05-2023 08:41 AM #32
Be interesting to see if this can and will be appealed? For Brentford having him banned now and over the pre-season will take in a good chunk of his ban period.
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18-05-2023 08:42 AM #33
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It’s the size of the ban that I think is harsh, there’s no doubt allowing player to gamble has the potential to lead to fixing and things like that but Rio Ferdinand got a ban of that size for refusing a drugs test, is it a comparable crime? He’s not been performance enhancing, he’s got longer than mitrovic and di canio have done for assaulting a referee is it worse an offence than that?
I do think it should be punished but it’s a bit much a full 8month ban, betting companies all over the game, the owner of brentford made his money being a pro gambler and creating gambling IT alongside Brighton’s owner Tony bloom, if those guys are accepted as fit and proper owners and are privy to same insider knowledge as Toney why is the punishment so harsh
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18-05-2023 08:56 AM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You could argue that betting on games that have nothing to do with him, especially if he has some sort of addiction, is fairly harmless and the punishment is harsh.
If he's been involved in something that might affect the outcome of games then that's a totally different story and deserves the harshest of punishments.
I get though that if the authorities are serious about stamping out players betting and the potential ramifications of that then they must be seen to be tough.
They didn't hold back on Joey Barton either iirc.
Different story if you're a Rangers player though, funnily enough.
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18-05-2023 09:40 AM #35
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18-05-2023 12:43 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-05-2023 02:20 PM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
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18-05-2023 07:17 PM #39
Seen a tweet about how Toney made his name playing in the SkyBET Champ, playing for Newcastle with a Fun88 sponsor, then playing for Brentford with a Hollywood bets sponsor, yet gets 8 months for betting.
Help should be the answer, not an 8 month ban.
8 months for betting but barely 8 games for racism, disgrace.
Also pretty odd timing considering there's only 2 games left, could have waited 2 weeks and given him the ban.
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18-05-2023 10:28 PM #40
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18-05-2023 10:31 PM #41This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-05-2023 09:39 AM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-05-2023 10:53 AM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Even if he wasn't betting on games his club he was playing in players have mates at other clubs and it could possibly lead to accusations of collusion if a player he knows personally gave away a penalty, or a throw in, or got sent off at exactly the time Mr Tony predicted it would happen.
Football players, especially players on the kind of wages he will be on, who get involved in match fixing are the lowest of the bloody low. There are folk who pay to watch them who scrimp and save to afford the football, folk who can only dream of making in a year what some of these folk make in a week. To cheat these folk out of a fair and uncorrupted product in an attempt to make even more money is beneath contempt.
There's no evidence Ivan Tony did that. But the last thing football needs is even a hint that such stuff is going on, so well done the FA in my opinion.
I can only imagine what Brentford's reaction will be. Apart from being a major cog in their machine he was also one of the hottest properties in the game and probably worth a minimum of 30 million, probably more like 60 million, on the transfer market and now he can't even kick a ball in anger until next January .... I would guess they are apoplectic.
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19-05-2023 10:54 AM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In a way his punishment is less severe than it looks as the first three months cover the close season anyway.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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19-05-2023 11:22 AM #46
this will follow him around for the rest of his career, every near miss, every foul committed, every senseless foul committed, every time a shot is on but doesn't take it, every booking
i think he will just be more clever with his betting, e.g get someone else to put them on
i'll bet he will be a lot wiser in futureLast edited by cabbageandribs1875; 19-05-2023 at 11:24 AM.
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19-05-2023 11:54 PM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Players are well aware they can’t bet on football and he did it over 200 times, prob a lot more since 2014
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26-05-2023 10:00 AM #48
Now been confirmed that Toney bet on his own team to lose.
That changes the narrative considerably.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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26-05-2023 10:11 AM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
By no means am I saying what he done wasn't wrong, I just think there are degrees of wrong and having no influence over the outcome notches it down a degree.Mon the Hibs.
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26-05-2023 10:15 AM #51
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thats all the "detail" needed
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26-05-2023 10:41 AM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not as bad as the headlines will have you believe.
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26-05-2023 10:45 AM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
126 bets were in respect of matches in competitions in which Toney's club at that time participated in.
Of those 126, 29 were in respect of the club Toney was playing for at the time.
Of those 29, 16 were on his own team to win 15 different matches. Toney played in 11 of those matches.
Of those 29, the remaining 13 were on Toney's team to lose. Toney did not play in any of those matches.
Of the 126 bets, 15 were placed on Toney to score. They were initiated at a time when it was not public knowledge that he was starting or playing in the relevant fixtures.
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26-05-2023 11:05 AM #55This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He was also handing out team information to friends in advance of games.
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26-05-2023 11:17 AM #56
Suspect this is the tip of the iceberg for football in general. I imagine there there are plenty of other players having sleepless nights right now waiting on being named and shamed.
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26-05-2023 11:35 AM #57This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteMon the Hibs.
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26-05-2023 12:08 PM #58
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It might just be a harmless punt for small change as part of an acca.
Or you might know the goalkeeper and be aware he's just been dumped by his girlfriend and his head is all over the place. Or that the star striker had a scrap with the manager in the dressing room after training and won't be playing.
Because of those reasons, it needs to be zero tolerance and I think he's quite lucky to get the punishment he did.
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26-05-2023 12:17 PM #59
His team should rip his contract up. There’s no coming back from that.
"...when Hibs won the Scottish Cup final and that celebration, Sunshine on Leith? I don’t think there’s a better football celebration ever in the game.”
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26-05-2023 12:20 PM #60This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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