NHC: Ivan Toney

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

BREAKING: Ivan Toney has been suspended from all football and football-related activity with immediate effect for eight months, fined £50,000, and warned as to his future conduct for breaches of The FA’s Betting Rules.

Brutal

[Tyler Durden]

Without having yet read the finer detail, seems incredibly harsh. Did Cantona not only get 9 months for attacking a fan?!

[Stubbsy90+2]

Doesn’t really seem proportionate to other punishments to the likes of Suarez.

[Iain G]

Not even allowed to train for the next 4 months!

[Smartie]

I quite like this.

It shouldn’t be happening and there needs to be a deterrent.

The light approach the authorities took to Ian Black was disgraceful.

I’m all for supporting those who admit to problems, I have less sympathy for those who end up taking part in activities that may call into question the integrity of the game.

[Billy Whizz]

Can they send him on loan to Hibs until January

[big gogs]

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Without having yet read the finer detail, seems incredibly harsh. Did Cantona not only get 9 months for attacking a fan?!

Did he bet against his own team,if not ,I don’t see the problem,betting on other teams results it happens in real life.maybe in hindsight,he should have asked someone else to put the bets on for him.

[Pretty Boy]

The blanket ban on players betting on football gets a lot of stick but it makes sense to me. If players can bet on games they have the ability to influence the outcome of games for others and ask others to do the same for them. That's a potentially slippery slope. Fixed football matches happen and players acting in ways that ensure certain bets win happens. Allowing footballers to be could quite possible worsen that.

Toney knew the rules, he wilfully chose to break them. For all the pros of being a top level pro ootballer, the inability to be on one sport seems a small price to pay.

[BILLYHIBS]

Those Bet365 price boosts on The Robot

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

How would the authorities have been able to find this out? A whistle blower from an online firm? Many moons ago, I worked in the betting industry and we had football players betting decent money on football games, but giving the bet to one of the pensioners to place it, in return for a few pints.

[blackpoolhibs]

He really must be thick to get caught, surely tae god he could get someone else to place bets if he must bet?

[allezsauzee]

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Without having yet read the finer detail, seems incredibly harsh. Did Cantona not only get 9 months for attacking a fan?!

I would argue that Cantona was the one treated harshly there. He shouldn't have reacted but ultimately if he'd done the same to a player who had shouted disgusting abuse at him, he'd have got a fraction of that. I think the football authorities need to come down hard on any player breaching the rules on gambling given the scope for corruption.

[HoboHarry]

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I quite like this.

It shouldn’t be happening and there needs to be a deterrent.

The light approach the authorities took to Ian Black was disgraceful.

I’m all for supporting those who admit to problems, I have less sympathy for those who end up taking part in activities that may call into question the integrity of the game.

Not for me. Until the authorities stop taking sponsor money from betting companies they have no moral high ground and no right to ban anyone for using a service they are promoting. Not that I think betting is correct, I don't, but the FA action smacks of hypocrisy.

[Pretty Boy]

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Not for me. Until the authorities stop taking sponsor money from betting companies they have no moral high ground and no right to ban anyone for using a service they are promoting. Not that I think betting is correct, I don't, but the FA action smacks of hypocrisy.

It's not a football anomaly though.

The entire racing industry is built on gambling but licensed jockeys are banned from betting on any race anywhere in the world. Rugby League players are the same. And tennis players. And so on and so on.

I really don't give a toss if Bet365 or SkyBet get done over by a dishonest pro fixing bets for either his mates or a dodgy syndicate. Ordinary punters are at risk as well though, as are us fans who may be watching a game which is being manipulated for dishonest purposes.

There's hypocrisy at play but ultimately the ban provides at least some protection for the integrity of the sport as being decided on honest sporting merits.

[Just Alf]

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The blanket ban on players betting on football gets a lot of stick but it makes sense to me. If players can bet on games they have the ability to influence the outcome of games for others and ask others to do the same for them. That's a potentially slippery slope. Fixed football matches happen and players acting in ways that ensure certain bets win happens. Allowing footballers to be could quite possible worsen that.

Toney knew the rules, he wilfully chose to break them. For all the pros of being a top level pro ootballer, the inability to be on one sport seems a small price to pay.

That's a good point actually.

I'd been thinking he was really hard done to.

Thinking further though , he could.bet for his mates while his mates bet for him :-/

[Scouse Hibee]

Happy to hear this, he knew the rules and broke them.

[Lago]

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The blanket ban on players betting on football gets a lot of stick but it makes sense to me. If players can bet on games they have the ability to influence the outcome of games for others and ask others to do the same for them. That's a potentially slippery slope. Fixed football matches happen and players acting in ways that ensure certain bets win happens. Allowing footballers to be could quite possible worsen that.

Toney knew the rules, he wilfully chose to break them. For all the pros of being a top level pro ootballer, the inability to be on one sport seems a small price to pay.

My thoughts exactly

[HoboHarry]

As far not even allowing him to train, I just think of what the point of that sanction is? I'd love to see a top lawyer test that in court, I think the FA would get shredded.

[allezsauzee]

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It's not a football anomaly though.

The entire racing industry is built on gambling but licensed jockeys are banned from betting on any race anywhere in the world. Rugby League players are the same. And tennis players. And so on and so on.

I really don't give a toss if Bet365 or SkyBet get done over by a dishonest pro fixing bets for either his mates or a dodgy syndicate. Ordinary punters are at risk as well though, as are us fans who may be watching a game which is being manipulated for dishonest purposes.

There's hypocrisy at play but ultimately the ban provides at least some protection for the integrity of the sport as being decided on honest sporting merits.

These are important points. Ultimately, the big bookies run their books conservatively and have enough people and systems all over this to make sure they don't get shafted. They have no interest in engaging with serious gamblers, they just want to consistently hoover up cash from people who don't really know what they are doing each week. It's the small punters that ultimately pay for those acting with inside information and most importantly fans who go watch games that potentially are fixed in some way. Even if it's players doing something as seemingly innocuous as getting booked , conceding corners or committing fouls, it all gets gambled on now.

[Waxy]

Should be a life ban for betting scams.

[ancient hibee]

I’m told he is suspected (without being proved)of heavy involvement in influencing spot betting.

[LunasBoots]

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I quite like this.

It shouldn’t be happening and there needs to be a deterrent.

The light approach the authorities took to Ian Black was disgraceful.

I’m all for supporting those who admit to problems, I have less sympathy for those who end up taking part in activities that may call into question the integrity of the game.

If you have an addiction it's pretty hard to stop, help rather than bans for me

[DH1875]

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Happy to hear this, he knew the rules and broke them.

So what did he do? Match fixing???

[Since452]

He'll be picking up a fortune for doing nothing for months. My heart isn't exactly breaking for him.

[danhibees1875]

Conflicted. It seems harsh, especially if he's not betting on anything he's involved in but some good points on this thread that he could be involved as he'll be more connected (that's a bit of a leap required there) and that it's a minor sacrifice for the life he has as a footballer.

There's the obvious hypocrisy of the whole thing too, betting sponsors and adverts are rife in and around the game and its all done with the intention of making people bet. He's exposed to that constantly.

I still think it should take into account what he has bet on though (which it might have, i dont think we know) and the likelihood he could have inside knowledge or influence on the outcome before things get as severe. Its a very hefty ban, and at a key stage for him when he's asserting himself in the premiership and just breaking through into the England team.

[CentreLine]

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I quite like this.

It shouldn’t be happening and there needs to be a deterrent.

The light approach the authorities took to Ian Black was disgraceful.

I’m all for supporting those who admit to problems, I have less sympathy for those who end up taking part in activities that may call into question the integrity of the game.

Your last paragraph is absolutely correct. The problem
I have is that the integrity of the game, here is Scotland, starts with criminal bias towards two clubs by the governing body and their in field servants, the referees

[Oscar T Grouch]

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As far not even allowing him to train, I just think of what the point of that sanction is? I'd love to see a top lawyer test that in court, I think the FA would get shredded.

This sanction is so he cannot train with Brentford and his teammates. He can still go to the gym every day and train just not around other pro footballers. Unfortunately for Toney he knew the punishments available to him before committing the offence so a lawyer would find it difficult to argue against this sanction.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Could he go on loan to a club in another country??

[Oscar T Grouch]

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Could he go on loan to a club in another country??

No FIFA and UEFA both take heed of governing body bans. He’s essentially banned from all football.

[J-C]

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He'll be picking up a fortune for doing nothing for months. My heart isn't exactly breaking for him.

Will he, I'd have thought Brentford will have some sort of clause in his contract.