Joe Newell.

**DaveF** · 07-08-2022 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee

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Possibly controversial opinion here but Hibs won’t improve until we upgrade on him.

Agree. Yes, he was better in the 2nf half, thanks to Neilson sitting in for the 0-1, but if he is to be the midfield general then I'm not sure I'll be enjoying much this season.

***bingo70*** · 07-08-2022 03:22 PM

Wikipedia says he’s scored 1 goal in 79 games for us?

Im sure he’s scored more than that, I remember the one against Dundee Utd, what other ones am I missing?

**Just_Jimmy** · 07-08-2022 03:23 PM

He's howling. I'm not arsed if he can be Zidane 1 game in 100, he's consistently poor.

He doesn't dominate games, he's not a goal threat, he's not even a genuine playmaker like Scottie was.

Move him on and get someone in who can do one of the three and we'll improve.

Having said that, Campbell and JDH are probably even worse.

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**DaveF** · 07-08-2022 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by bingo70

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Wikipedia says he’s scored 1 goal in 79 games for us?

Im sure he’s scored more than that, I remember the one against Dundee Utd, what other ones am I missing?

Was that not a cup game? He scored away to St Mirren but other than that I'm struggling to recall others.

***Hibs4185*** · 07-08-2022 03:24 PM

Hibs lose - Newell is the worst midfielder ever
Hibs draw - Newell had a great game.

He’s not up to scratch. On his 4th manager and we’ve had the same problems with every manager. He has one good game followed by 4 bad games.

We have a really good team and squad. Midfield is the problem. Bin Newell and get someone else in and we could be challenging for 3rd.

***easty*** · 07-08-2022 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

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He's howling. I'm not arsed if he can be Zidane 1 game in 100, he's consistently poor.

He doesn't dominate games, he's not a goal threat, he's not even a genuine playmaker like Scottie was.

Move him on and get someone in who can do one of the three and we'll improve.

Having said that, Campbell and JDH are probably even worse.

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You’re comparing Newell to Allan and they’re completely different players

***BT58*** · 07-08-2022 03:25 PM

Every corner he took landed in Craig Gordons hands. Would bring in Dylan Tait for a few games to show what he can do.
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***bingo70*** · 07-08-2022 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by DaveF

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Was that not a cup game? He scored away to St Mirren but other than that I'm struggling to recall others.

Aye, but Wikipedia doesn’t split between league and cup games. Just says one goal in 79 games.

Even assuming it’s wrong and he’s got 4 or 5 goals it’s still an Absolutely hopeless record and we’ve every right to demand more from our centre midfielders. Would be different if he’s a defensive midfielder with no expectation of getting forward but he’s not, he’s got all the ability to drive forward and should do better.

***hibee_girl*** · 07-08-2022 03:32 PM

I like Newell but he never shows up for the big games, he just wasn’t good enough yet again today. His set pieces were awful.

**Tambo** · 07-08-2022 03:35 PM

Just another average performance from Joe again but have definitely seen worse from him.

Did play one nice through ball to Cabraja second half but really needs to cut out the silly fouls.

Not a chance he's getting sold so we have to get used to another season.

**Coco Bryce** · 07-08-2022 03:36 PM

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Every corner he took landed in Craig Gordons hands. Would bring in Dylan Tait for a few games to show what he can do.
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His corners were embarrassingly bad.

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 07-08-2022 03:44 PM

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I like Newell but he never shows up for the big games, he just wasn’t good enough yet again today. His set pieces were awful.

How can you like Newell if he never turns up for the big games.
Are you judging him on games v Bonnyrigg Rose.

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 07-08-2022 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY

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If Joe played to his full potential week in week out, he would be playing in a level well above the SPL. Trouble is that on his off days, he comes across as just not being arsed to put a shift in. Nothing worse than that. What he needs is real pressure on his place.

A level well above the SPL.
You are kidding yourself on.
He offers nothing.

***hibee_girl*** · 07-08-2022 03:47 PM

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How can you like Newell if he never turns up for the big games.
Are you judging him on games v Bonnyrigg Rose.

I like him cos I do think there’s a good player in him which is the frustrating thing when he doesn’t bring it to the big games.

Also I don’t have the hatred for him that many on here seem to.

***J-C*** · 07-08-2022 03:47 PM

1st half he was pish, 2nd half just a wee bit better than pish, he show for the ball as much as he wants but until he starts doing something with the ball we still need better than him, for me he's still a showpony that decided to turn when he can be arsed, him and others in that midfield is the reason 2 managers got sacked, time to go.

**Hibiza** · 07-08-2022 03:54 PM

Joe Newell is simply not good enough , been proven, time and time again. Time for him to go and reinvent a progressive midfield.

***Brightside*** · 07-08-2022 03:54 PM

Nothing wrong with Newell today. Our midfield were fine until we switched to a 2.

**B.H.F.C** · 07-08-2022 03:57 PM

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Nothing wrong with Newell today. Our midfield were fine until we switched to a 2.

Newell was better later in the game than he was when we had three in there, when he contributed nothing.

***bingo70*** · 07-08-2022 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Brightside

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Nothing wrong with Newell today. Our midfield were fine until we switched to a 2.

Do you not think our midfield should offer some sort of goal threat?

**Mutu** · 07-08-2022 04:10 PM

He's our best midfielder.

**swordin3** · 07-08-2022 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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1st half sheite, 2nd half much much better, just do it more Joe, you have the ability.

He has the ability but needs to push forward more take a chance get into the box .He frustrates a lot of the time with his back and side passes when a drop of the shoulder
would have him 10 yards further forward. He could do a great job but lacks the confidence.

***bingo70*** · 07-08-2022 04:12 PM

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He's our best midfielder.

I’d have Kenneh and JDH ahead of him.

We need more from him

***JohnM1875*** · 07-08-2022 04:14 PM

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He's our best midfielder.

He's really isn't. First half he was easily the poorest out of the three. Second half he had a decent wee spell where he shows what he's capable of. Unfortunately what he's capable of isn't anywhere near consistent enough.

***NORTHERNHIBBY*** · 07-08-2022 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

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A level well above the SPL.
You are kidding yourself on.
He offers nothing.

When he's good he's really good. Just not really good enough times IMO. He gives the impression that he's not really worried about losing his place, and that's not a good signal for any player to send.

**Wakeyhibee** · 07-08-2022 04:29 PM

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I think today showed both good and bad of him, we've all seen how well he can play, but today he was poor then very good.

He just never produces it enough for me, maybe when we bring in another midfielder he can do it more often alongside someone better in there, if not we will just see more of the same.

This, but how much is him or the team he was/is in? Overall things are improving so hope he can shine more f often.

**KWJ** · 07-08-2022 04:32 PM

He definitely wasnt the problem today, even first half.
Kenneth looked like a different player to last week when you'd hope he'd dominate like a Bartley or Jack. Henderson, as someone else said, looked like a lost wee boy while Campbell did what he does.

***Brightside*** · 07-08-2022 04:34 PM

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Newell was better later in the game than he was when we had three in there, when he contributed nothing.

We controlled the midfield when we had 3. The biggest problem. Was wasting Henderson out wide. The bringing Doidge out screwed us uo.

**B.H.F.C** · 07-08-2022 04:38 PM

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We controlled the midfield when we had 3. The biggest problem. Was wasting Henderson out wide. The bringing Doidge out screwed us uo.

Screwed us? We were all over the shop at the start of the second half. Little happened after the sub but Hearts should have killed the game at the start of the second half before Neilson **** the bed with his defensive subs and let us back in.

Thought Doidge was crap, but we were less crap after he came on.

***The Modfather*** · 07-08-2022 04:38 PM

He’s 29, we’ve seen all we will ever see from him. Into his fourth season and we’re still talking about midfield being our biggest issue and a key player in Newell being anonymous for 45 minutes and better/good in the other 45.

Is that enough for us ever to be more than an inconsistent team that probably finishes closer to the bottom six than 3rd more often than not?

Build the midfield around either Kenneth or Henderson, and build it properly. Not just sign players that might be good players but with no obvious plan as to how they all fit together and compliment each other. We’re long since past the time to be ruthless. We got rid of Gogic in January and thought only signing a similar player in Kenneth was the answer to resolving our midfield issues we’ve had for 3 or 4 years now.