Sportscene 22/23

[Wilson]

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They dropped 20 points to Celtic and Rangers last season, if they had picked up maximum points they would have finished one point ahead of Rangers but still 5 points behind Celtic.

Well, if it is simply a question of whether we think hearts can close the gap in the old firm by taking many more points off them, then the easy answer is no chance.

[JohnM1875]

Am I being daft, but how is Dundee Utd's Harkes first yellow a booking? Completely out of both of the keepers hands and he then flicks the ball away?

[MartinfaePorty]

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Am I being daft, but how is Dundee Utd's Harkes first yellow a booking? Completely out of both of the keepers hands and he then flicks the ball away?

Section 2 of Law 12 states:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

[Alfred E Newman]

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Noticed no in depth analysis of the tackles in the Hearts v Ross County all of which were worse than the tackles highlighted in the Hibs match. Nothing changes still not a balanced show.

I watched a bit of the Livi v Rangers game at lunchtime and there were some pretty beefy tackles being dished out by Livi as you would expect. I don’t think any were shown in the highlights never mind scrutinised.
Our games were gone over with a fine tooth comb last season on a weekly basis to try and find goals that should have been chalked off, and players that should have been booked or red carded and it looks like more of the same this season.

[JohnM1875]

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Section 2 of Law 12 states:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

But when Harke's touches the ball it's completely out of both hands and it's in the air, so surely the balls in play at that point? Anyway I'm obviously wrong but still think it's stupid!

[MartinfaePorty]

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But when Harke's touches the ball it's completely out of both hands and it's in the air, so surely the balls in play at that point? Anyway I'm obviously wrong but still think it's stupid!

Here's some wording from earlier on in the same section:

An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:

plays in a dangerous manner
impedes the progress of an opponent without any contact being made
is guilty of dissent, using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s) or other verbal offences
prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick
commits any other offence, not mentioned in the Laws, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player

[JohnM1875]

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Here's some wording from earlier on in the same section:

An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:

plays in a dangerous manner
impedes the progress of an opponent without any contact being made
is guilty of dissent, using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s) or other verbal offences
prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick
commits any other offence, not mentioned in the Laws, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player

Aye fair enough! Pretty sure Thierry Henry scored a goal for Arsenal doing the exact same thing back in the day, but by the rules the ref was spot on yesterday.

[Aldo]

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I watched a bit of the Livi v Rangers game at lunchtime and there were some pretty beefy tackles being dished out by Livi as you would expect. I don’t think any were shown in the highlights never mind scrutinised.
Our games were gone over with a fine tooth comb last season on a weekly basis to try and find goals that should have been chalked off, and players that should have been booked or red carded and it looks like more of the same this season.

Your last paragraph is spot on. Martin Boyle was highlighted every week so they could try and show he was diving.

They don’t even try and hide the bias shown towards us


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[aarsan]

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I’ve not watched it but listened to a bit of sport sound after the game for the first time in years and it was very negative towards hibs, they are somehow still talking about Jack ross, and the woman on the show was going on about how shocking it was hibs didn’t try to get mcinnes as manager.

I thought most folk on here just had sour grapes or something but having listened it is pretty weird.

The woman on the show was Leanne Dempster !!!

[Billy Whizz]

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The woman on the show was Leanne Dempster !!!

Leanne Crichton

[Jones28]

I didn’t see a huge amount wrong with it tbh, I thought Mikey Stewart was bang on with his analysis.

I think the analysis of the cards was spot on and that if the ref seems Davidsons red was legitimate then Cabraja should have been off, or they should both have been booked. They were clearly going for the “St Johnston are doomed” narrative and playing up the fact that we really should have been down to ten men.

[where'stheslope]

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I didn’t see a huge amount wrong with it tbh, I thought Mikey Stewart was bang on with his analysis.

I think the analysis of the cards was spot on and that if the ref seems Davidsons red was legitimate then Cabraja should have been off, or they should both have been booked. They were clearly going for the “St Johnston are doomed” narrative and playing up the fact that we really should have been down to ten men.

From the highlights I seen it was either 2 yellows or 2 reds!
How the ref can make 1 different from the other beggars belief?
Just wait till VAR comes in, you will see a lot more of the same, especially against the Uglies!!!

[patlowe]

I disagree that both tackles were the same. Refs have to assess any tackle on a range of factors so it's just so over-simplistic to say "you can't give a red for one and not the other". Having said that, in this case I'd say they were both reds

[Callum_62]

Are sky not showing goals on Sunday and that anymore?

I quite enjoyed watching the goals and highlights from the championship and below

Who shows that now?

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[Sir David Gray]

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Are sky not showing goals on Sunday and that anymore?

I quite enjoyed watching the goals and highlights from the championship and below

Who shows that now?

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EFL highlights are on ITV.

[worcesterhibby]

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Stop watching and listening. There are loads of other ways to see game highlights. I've not watched or listened in years and it's not something I miss.

I don’t watch it, or listen, but it still seems to affect the work of the compliance officer and I still have to contribute money to produce it if I want to watch the telly legally.

[Kato]

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I didn’t see a huge amount wrong with it tbh, I thought Mikey Stewart was bang on with his analysis.

I think the analysis of the cards was spot on and that if the ref seems Davidsons red was legitimate then Cabraja should have been off, or they should both have been booked. They were clearly going for the “St Johnston are doomed” narrative and playing up the fact that we really should have been down to ten men.

There's no problem seeing it like that.

The question seems to be is why are similar and worse situations not being dissected the way they are in Hibs games.



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[JimBHibees]

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There's no problem seeing it like that.

The question seems to be is why are similar and worse situations not being dissected the way they are in Hibs games.



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That is the question why are and this is probably anecdotal primarily Rangers and Hearts incidents not analysed in the same way and highlighted apparently a very poor Hearts tackle ignored again yesterday. Rangers Hibs last season Lundstram ignored was also an Aribo tackle think against Hearts ignored. .

[whiskyhibby]

I have to say it’s been a number of years now since I last watched Sportscene….don’t see that changing anytime soon

[Ringothedog]

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From the highlights I seen it was either 2 yellows or 2 reds!
How the ref can make 1 different from the other beggars belief?
Just wait till VAR comes in, you will see a lot more of the same, especially against the Uglies!!!

The tackle by Davidson was shin high, the tackle by Cabraja was on the ground. That is the only difference I can see.

[Libby Hibby]

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The tackle by Davidson was shin high, the tackle by Cabraja was on the ground. That is the only difference I can see.

Also, one was against a Hibs hero and one was against a Hertz prick

[Carheenlea]

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I have to say it’s been a number of years now since I last watched Sportscene….don’t see that changing anytime soon

Likewise. I’ll watch the Hibs highlights on the BBC website, and all the highlights released by Hibs. Have little interest in watching any other games but if Hearts have had a comedy result I’ll certainly take a look at that.

I couldn’t sit through a whole episode of Sportscene.

[greenlex]

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From the highlights I seen it was either 2 yellows or 2 reds!
How the ref can make 1 different from the other beggars belief?
Just wait till VAR comes in, you will see a lot more of the same, especially against the Uglies!!!

The only thing I can think of to make the difference in cards was that Davidson made absolutely no attempt to play the ball and was only interested in taking the man out the game. At east out boy tried to get to the ball.

[Ringothedog]

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Also, one was against a Hibs hero and one was against a Hertz prick

This ends all debate.

[ekhibee]

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Likewise. I’ll watch the Hibs highlights on the BBC website, and all the highlights released by Hibs. Have little interest in watching any other games but if Hearts have had a comedy result I’ll certainly take a look at that.

I couldn’t sit through a whole episode of Sportscene.

I agree with every word of this. I also have to say I'm not interested in anything to do with Hearts really, so there's no need for me to listen to Sportsound at any time either.

[JJP]

Interesting editorial choice not to show the non foul that lead to Livingston’s second goal today.

[JohnM1875]

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Interesting editorial choice not to show the non foul that lead to Livingston’s second goal today.

Shock.

[Real Emerald]

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Interesting editorial choice not to show the non foul that lead to Livingston’s second goal today.

It’s a disgrace l, if that was a Hibs free kick and goal it would have been picked to bits. Shocking. 😡

[Sheffhibee]

The Jack Ross love in continues from wee Mike Stewart and Co. Not a mention of the comedy defending against them today. If that had been us that display would have been ripped to shreds

[Colinton Hibby]

Since Mikey bottled it for his Huns comments he’s been a bit of a joke, which is a real shame as he was the only real neutral we had on Hunscene.

Still, i must admit I’m loving watching Jack Ross imploding. Said it even when he was with us - he’s an imposter.