Pat Stanton's Hibernian Dream Team

[StarryPloughHSC]

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Mcgeouch before scott brown, personally theres not a chance that would happen but each to their own

a still believe we got the very best of broony like he was unplayable with us mcginn and mcgeouch couldn't lace his boots when he was in his prime

[DIXIHIBS]

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a still believe we got the very best of broony like he was unplayable with us mcginn and mcgeouch couldn't lace his boots when he was in his prime

Opinions and all that but to say mcginn couldnt lace browns boots...not for me. Both very good players for hibs.

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Opinions and all that but to say mcginn couldnt lace browns boots...not for me. Both very good players for hibs.

aye thats true mate but if you put a prime broony from 05/07 up against todays mcginn, mcginns chasing shadows

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hahaha canny believe you left out a certain goalkeeper from poland mate

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Only in my 20s so not seen some of the names here, but id go with

Rocky

Gray
Ambrose
Jones
Murphy

Mcgeough
Mcginn
Allan

Boyle
Fletch
Derek


Subs- Bogdan, GOC, Whitts, Brown, Stevenson, Zemmama and Sparky

Special mention to Sauzee and Latapy but I don't actually remember them despite seeing them, so don't feel I can put either in despite definitely being better than some in there.

Also in my 20s so I’ll give a shot anaw… last post was a joke, obviously.

Rocky
Whittaker
Jones
McPake
Murphy
Brown
Thomson
McGinn
Boyle
Griffiths
Deek

Subs: Szamoltulski (controversial one but I liked the big fella), Stevenson, Zemamma, Sproule, GOC and Ambrose


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hahaha canny believe you left out a certain goalkeeper from poland mate

Leave Zibi out of this, wasn’t nearly as bad as was made out. Had a few shockers against them but so did a certain Simon Brown… doesn’t get half the stick


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Leave Zibi out of this, wasn’t nearly as bad as was made out. Had a few shockers against them but so did a certain Simon Brown… doesn’t get half the stick


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they were aw dreadful equally to be fair haha a still mind mcneils debut at easter road when the first cross came over and he caught it you would have thought we had scored haha they were dark days in goalie dept man

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Also in my 20s so I’ll give a shot anaw… last post was a joke, obviously.

Rocky
Whittaker
Jones
McPake
Murphy
Brown
Thomson
McGinn
Boyle
Griffiths
Deek

Subs: Szamoltulski (controversial one but I liked the big fella), Stevenson, Zemamma, Sproule, GOC and Ambrose


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canny disagree with that squad bud that would be mines aswell

[gbhibby]

Only going on players I have seen play.
Goram
Brownlie
John Collins (LWB)
Stanton
Sauzee
Blackley
Best
SJM
Archibald
Baker
Duncan

[BILLYHIBS]

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Mcgeouch before scott brown, personally theres not a chance that would happen but each to their own

Scott Brown was different gravy as a box to box midfielder

4.4m back in 2007 no way would Dylan go for anywhere near that at his peak in more modern times

[BSEJVT]

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Soccerbase gives John’s DOB as 01/01/1927 and his age as 95 so presumably he is still alive. Outstanding goal stats for him

Cubby definitely is not still alive

Was friends with my folks

IIRC he died before my mum who died in 1979

[Edina Street]

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Based purely on players I've actually SEEN play for us at their peak, would probably go with:

Marciano

Whittaker Ambrose Jones Murphy

Allan McGeouch McGinn

Boyle Griffiths Fletcher

Subs: Williams, Gray, Stevenson, Brown, Fyvie, Stokes, Cummings

As I was not alive to see many of the players I included in my Dream Team, I need to be forgiven for picking my Dream Team by deducing the best team from what I have read on paper.

But my team based upon what I have actually seen: I am actually going to replace Gary Caldwell with Ulrik Laursen, whom I forgot to put in my Dream Team.

(1) Andy Goram (aged 27)
(2) Steven Whittaker (aged 23)
(3) David Murphy (aged 24)
(4) Franck Sauzee (aged 34)
(5) Ulrik Laursen (aged 26)
(6) John Collins (aged 22)
(7) Gordon Durie (aged 23)
(8) Russell Latapy (aged 30)
(9) Kenny Miller (aged 21)
(10) Leigh Griffiths (aged 22)
(11) Michael O'Neill (aged 25)

Subs

(12) Jim Leighton (aged 35)
(13) Gary Caldwell (aged 24)
(14) John McGinn (aged 24)
(15) Darren Jackson (aged 29)
(16) Gordon Hunter (aged 24)
(17) Scott Brown (aged 22)
(18) Anthony Stokes (aged 22)

[Mick O'Rourke]

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Cubby definitely is not still alive

Was friends with my folks

IIRC he died before my mum who died in 1979

I certainly believe your recollection on John over other posts,(confused dates/birth etc)
Its strange so little is available online about John after his playing days or an obituary/record of his death.
Such a contribution he made to the club and like many of his peers the war affected football progress..
Anyone here connected to the club or its historians maybe could look into this.

I found a grainy photo of John on an Aberdeen FC Scottish Cup story.

2nd photo on the link
https://www.aberdeenlive.news/specia...inning-6889366

[merchiston]

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Has anyone else read Pat Stanton's book? Whilst I thoroughly enjoyed reading about what a great team the Turnbull's Tornadoes actually were, I was very disappointed with Pat's selection, and can understand why he ended up resigning from his Hibernian managerial post in 1984.

I won't reveal what his selection was, due to not wanting to infringe upon his copyright, and negatively effect his booksales. But after reading his book, I feel compelled to do my own Hibernian Dream Team, and also ask everyone on this forum what "your" Hibernian Dream Team would be?

Mine is as follows:

(1) Andy Goram (age 27)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Goram

(2) John Brownlie (age 22)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brownlie

(3) Erich Schaedler (age 25)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Schaedler

(4) Pat Stanton (age 28)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Stanton

(5) John Blackley (age 26)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Blackley

(6) Franck Sauzee (age 34)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck_Sauz%C3%A9e

(7) Gordon Smith (age 26)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon...er,_born_1924)

(8) Bobby Johnstone (age 25)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Johnstone

(9) Lawrie Reilly (age 23)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrie_Reilly

(10) Joe Baker (age 21)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Baker

(11) Willie Ormond (age 27)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Ormond

Subs

(12) Jim Leighton (age 35)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Leighton

(13) Jock Govan (age 24)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Govan

(14) Eddie Turnbull (age 25)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Turnbull

(15) John Cuthbertson (age N/A)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C...%E2%80%931956)

(16) Gary Caldwell (age 24)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Caldwell

(17) John Collins (age 22)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C...er,_born_1968)

(18) Leigh Griffiths (age 22)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Griffiths

Omission

Yes, I am aware that whilst playing for Hibernian, Russell Latapy was voted 33rd best player in the world alongside Roy Keane and Dennis Bergkamp, but I believe Bobby Johnstone was just about the same as Russell Latapy in every other department except from goalscoring. Bobby Johnstone was by far a more prolific goalscoring attacking midfielder than Russell Latapy. Russell Latapy also loses out to John Collins and Eddie Turnbull on the bench due to Eddie and John being far more versatile and capable of filling in a greater number of positions.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Footb...ar.-a067912159

So, what changes would you make? Leighton instead of Goram? Govan instead of Brownlie? Should Russell have been included anywhere? at who's expense? Jimmy O'Rourke instead of Leigh Griffiths maybe? What about Peter Cormack? He must have been a good player given his success at Liverpool? How would he fit in? Arthur Duncan instead of Ormond perhaps?

What would "your" Hibernian Dream Team be?

Giving my age away now but off the top of my head Peter Cormack, Neill Martin, Willie Hamilton, and Pat Quinn would all make the bench well in front of Gary Caldwell even if I had to shuffle the teamn around

[Edina Street]

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Giving my age away now but off the top of my head Peter Cormack, Neill Martin, Willie Hamilton, and Pat Quinn would all make the bench well in front of Gary Caldwell even if I had to shuffle the teamn around

I based my bench on one goalkeeper, two defenders, two midfielders, and two forwards. And on reflection, Ulrik Laursen was actually most probably a better (left sided) centre back than Gary Caldwell, though Alex McLeish mostly deployed him as a left back.

Unfortunately Neill Martin, Willie Hamilton (once compared to Kenny Dalglish by Jock Stein), and Pat Quinn are all attacking players.

I did look at Peter Cormack as a possibility for the midfield position instead of Eddie Turnbull. However I would have been basing my decision upon the two league titles, FA cup, and UEFA cup Peter Cormack won with Liverpool, but I decided in Eddie Turnbull's favour because Hibernian were one of the best sides in Britain during the 1950's, and not just in Scotland. They proved this during the 1953 Coronation Cup by defeating Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 in the Quarter-Final, and Newcastle United 4-0 in the Semi-Final. Unfortunately Hibernian lost out to Celtic in the Final 0-2. But the point being, that playing for one of England's most successful sides does not alone warrant inclusion over Eddie Turnbull. Also, Eddie Turnbull would have won more than nine Scotland caps if it were not for the fact that he fell out with the SFA, mixed with the fact that he was unlucky enough to play his football at the same time as 1947 Great Britain XI goalscorer Billy Steel, whom was admittedly probably "even" better than Eddie, and played in the exact same position as Eddie.

If Dundee's Billy Steel was good enough to make a Great Britain XI squad, and score for them against a "rest of Europe XI", then I deduce from this that Eddie Turnbull must have been a world class player himself to feel aggrieved at being left out of a Scotland squad in favour of Billy Steel. I don't think there are many Hibs players today that would feel they are good enough to feel "aggrieved" at being left out of a squad in favour of a player that is good enough to play for the United Kingdom.

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Pat just shows how the club has fallen away in recent years, only Leigh Griffiths played for us in the last 10 years???
We are looking to get better players into the club than hard working journeymen who do a job!
Its all down to how much the club can afford!
Come on Ron, open the purse strings!!!

[merchiston]

[QUOTE=Edina Street;6978262]I based my bench on one goalkeeper, two defenders, two midfielders, and two forwards. And on reflection, Ulrik Laursen was actually most probably a better (left sided) centre back than Gary Caldwell, though Alex McLeish mostly deployed him as a left back.

Unfortunately Neill Martin, Willie Hamilton (once compared to Kenny Dalglish by Jock Stein), and Pat Quinn are all attacking players.

I did look at Peter Cormack as a possibility for the midfield position instead of Eddie Turnbull. However I would have been basing my decision upon the two league titles, FA cup, and UEFA cup Peter Cormack won with Liverpool, but I decided in Eddie Turnbull's favour because Hibernian were one of the best sides in Britain during the 1950's, and not just in Scotland. They proved this during the 1953 Coronation Cup by defeating Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 in the Quarter-Final, and Newcastle United 4-0 in the Semi-Final. Unfortunately Hibernian lost out to Celtic in the Final 0-2. But the point being, that playing for one of England's most successful sides does not alone warrant inclusion over Eddie Turnbull. Also, Eddie Turnbull would have won more than nine Scotland caps if it were not for the fact that he fell out with the SFA, mixed with the fact that he was unlucky enough to play his football at the same time as 1947 Great Britain XI goalscorer Billy Steel, whom was admittedly probably "even" better than Eddie, and played in the exact same position as Eddie.

Fair enough but maybe its the nostalgia kicking in but I would replace Garry Caldwell with Jackie Plenderleith (a great servant) or in his abscence Jim Easton

[Edina Street]

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Fair enough but maybe its the nostalgia kicking in but I would replace Garry Caldwell with Jackie Plenderleith (a great servant) or in his abscence Jim Easton

I am going to make First and Last, from Jackie Plenderleith, my next Hibs book to read.

[merchiston]

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I am going to make First and Last, from Jackie Plenderleith, my next Hibs book to read.

Good shout. A vastly under rated player who I think only got one cap. Would have got a lot more if he hadn't played at the same time as Billy McNeill. Sorry to labour the point but should be considered before Garry Caldwell

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Mcgeouch before scott brown, personally theres not a chance that would happen but each to their own

Just think Dylan at Hibs had potential to be better than Mcginn and Allan but injuries got in the way. Boy knew how to look after a football.

[Allant1981]

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Just think Dylan at Hibs had potential to be better than Mcginn and Allan but injuries got in the way. Boy knew how to look after a football.

Not disputing he had potential but still cant see how he would get in before scott brown, the guy was cracking when he was here and mcgeouch was no where near as good in my opinion

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Not disputing he had potential but still cant see how he would get in before scott brown, the guy was cracking when he was here and mcgeouch was no where near as good in my opinion

Pretty sure Scott Brown invented the Dylan McGeouch holding midfielder role at Celtic controlling the pace and tempo of games albeit with a wee bit more aggression and intimidation and even finding the time to referee most games

Agree cracking player at Hibs

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Not disputing he had potential but still cant see how he would get in before scott brown, the guy was cracking when he was here and mcgeouch was no where near as good in my opinion

Totally agree, Dylan was very good if far too injury prone but as an all round football player Scott Brown was a couple of rungs above.

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Just think Dylan at Hibs had potential to be better than Mcginn and Allan but injuries got in the way. Boy knew how to look after a football.

It's a game of opinions but that's a pretty incredible one.

[Edina Street]

I have removed Erich Schaedler from my Hibernian Dream Team, and replaced him with Davie Shaw.
I think Davie Shaw being a left-back that captained the Hibernian team to the 1947-48 league championship, and won nine post world war two caps for Scotland, might suggest that he was likely an even better left-back than Erich Schaedler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davie_Shaw

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It's a game of opinions but that's a pretty incredible one.

I don't think so, inevitably he ended up nowhere near his potential, but the way he controlled the game and tempo for us during his best days was a joy to watch. He allowed Allan and Mcginn that bit more freedom because they knew if they got into a situation, Dylan was usually there to receive it whether he was in trouble or not.

He ended up nowhere near that and injuries have meant he's not even a guaranteed started for Aberdeen, but during his time at us, when fit he was incredible at times.

[BILLYHIBS]

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I have removed Erich Schaedler from my Hibernian Dream Team, and replaced him with Davie Shaw.
I think Davie Shaw being a left back that captained the Hibernian team to the 1947-48 league championship, and won nine post ww2 caps for Scotland, might suggest that he was likely an even better left back than Erich Schaedler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davie_Shaw

Funnily enough I was actually looking at a video of Davy Shaw this morning and was thinking the same

https://youtu.be/Mu8T2jQVQAI

Loved Erich Schaedler but he would be the first to admit he wasn’t the best footballer or most naturally gifted often over reaching for the ball but what he lacked in football ability he would make up in fitness physique attitude commitment and a love for our club

Who can forget his crunching tackle in the build up to Alan Gordon’s second goal on 01-01-1973 when he rattled the Hearts defenders bones like a xylophone?

[Edina Street]

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Funnily enough I was actually looking at a video of Davy Shaw this morning and was thinking the same

https://youtu.be/Mu8T2jQVQAI

Loved Erich Schaedler but he would be the first to admit he wasn’t the best footballer or most naturally gifted often over reaching for the ball but what he lacked in football ability he would make up in fitness physique attitude commitment and a love for our club

Who can forget his crunching tackle in the build up to Alan Gordon’s second goal on 01-01-1973 when he rattled the Hearts defenders bones like a xylophone?

Thanks for posting that video! Enjoyed watching that!