The BT Sport, on air refereeing expert (Walton), claimed tonight that Real Madrid's 'goal' just before HT was rightly chopped off for offside. His reasoning was that a Liverpool player knocked the ball onto another Liverpool player who unintentionally, deflected the ball into Benzema's path who scored but, as he was in an offside position, it was no goal.
If that is correct, does it mean it is offside in the following scenario?:
Attacking player is in an offside position in the opposition 6 yard box. Defending goalkeeper strides forward with the ball at his feet, goes to smash the ball up the park but he hits his defender with the ball, who is standing on the penalty spot. The ball bounces back off the defender (unintentionally) to the 'offside' attacker, who smashes the ball into the net. No goal for offside.
That seems to be what was inferred by Walton. Is that correct? If so, you learn something every day!
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29-05-2022 12:44 AM #1
Real Madrid's Offside Goal
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29-05-2022 04:22 AM #2
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Difference is real player tried to play a pass last night I think, so you're scenario would be a goal as no other real player
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29-05-2022 06:38 AM #3
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If it deflects of the defending team after attacking team plays it first it is offside - but we knew that anyway.
In your example, yes, sounds like that is now offside.
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29-05-2022 07:26 AM #5
is it no daft that it only has to hit your hand and its a penalty yet you've got to pass it back to the offside player intentionally for him to be deemed onside? The goal should have stood for me like
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29-05-2022 07:35 AM #6
The confusing thing is the presence of 'deliberate' in the rules. No one meant to play the ball to Benzema - the Real player deliberately went for goal which is the most obvious forward movement, but the Liverpool defender(s) obviously intended to get something on the ball and likely were trying to knock it out of play.
It's only by chance that the combination of three players sent it to Benzema, so pretty harsh of the rules to declare one touch mattered when the other one/two didn't.
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29-05-2022 07:36 AM #7
If you're offside when a teammate plays the ball you remain offside whether a defender subsequently touches it or not. Benzema's teammate appears to have played the ball or it wouldn't have gone in the direction it did, so if there was only one player between Benzema and the goal line when his teammate played the ball offside is the correct decision.
Edit: That was the old rule - not the case now apparently - if a defender deliberately plays the ball he becomes onside. That suggests the decision was harsh unless Benzema was offside at the original long cross into the box.Last edited by Caversham Green; 29-05-2022 at 08:04 AM.
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29-05-2022 08:23 AM #10
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One thing for sure - it’s an example where it’s another bonkers change to the laws of the game - they seem to have taken it from simple to complex and made it worse …
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Essentially Benzema is offside when the Real player knocks the ball forward. The Liverpool defender’s touch is discounted because it was not a deliberate pass (had it been, it would be the next phase of play and Benzene would have been onside).
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29-05-2022 08:34 AM #12
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Anyway, didn’t affect the outcome ..
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It wasn't a deliberate pass, but it was a deliberate action by the Liverpool defenders which caused the ball to deflect to Benzema.
I thought it was the right decision at the time but I'm now not at all sure.
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29-05-2022 09:32 AM #18
I thought the Real player made the first touch with the ball playing it forward, Benzema was in an offside position when that happened. I have no idea what the other touches by the Liverpool players have to do with it now, they have made an easy decision complicated for no apparent reason. 🙄
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29-05-2022 09:39 AM #20
I thought the Real player touched it first, i could be wrong but that's what I thought, the rest i just don't understand
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29-05-2022 09:44 AM #21
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I thought the goal should have stood. And ironically it would have if it wasn’t for VAR.
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29-05-2022 09:48 AM #22
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29-05-2022 10:51 AM #23
This was a situation full of ambiguity and you could call it either way and believe it’s right. Tough for the officials
They didn’t focus much on this but I had a strong suspicion benzema was offside with the original ball through but I do t think they looked at that
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29-05-2022 11:05 AM #24
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So aye, probably offside under the rules.
The rules seem daft though
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29-05-2022 11:12 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-05-2022 11:21 AM #26
I can’t believe that fitba fans and so called ‘experts’ in the studio don’t know the rules.
It was clearly offside. At the moment the Real player played played the ball forward KB was in an offside position. It does not mater how many players the ball ricochet’s off the ball got to him from the initial ‘pass’. Even the bumbling ‘official’ in the studio didn’t explain it well. He stated it would have had to played deliberately by the Liverpool player after the initial pass, that’s true a deflection or ricochet doesn’t count. But it would also have had to have been a second phase from the moment the original forward pass was made…which it wasn’t. So even if either or both those Liverpool players had deliberately played the ball back after the first pass was made it still should have been chalked off.
Attacking team play the ball forward. Ball reaches striker in offside position who scores. H’s offside no matter who or what it hits en route to the goal scorer. Simple. It’s not rocket science.
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29-05-2022 11:24 AM #27
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You’d have been quicker typing about rocket science.
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29-05-2022 11:27 AM #28
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In which case I think it comes down to whether the madrid boy actually touched the ball, as mentioned above.
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29-05-2022 11:29 AM #29
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I walked back into the room just as VAR were looking at it and wondered if they were checking the original ball upfield to benzema… that’s not why the flag was up was it? Either way you’re right, if linesman flagged it wasn’t counting.
I still despise VAR though 😀
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