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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnM1875 View Post
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    Definitely. I honestly think it's so harsh and you very rarely see a sending off like that. Typical Beaton though, probably wants to be the discussion point and have all eyes on him.
    Point is tho he wasn't sent off for the clap - he just received a yellow for it. However, having already received a yellow, he was sent packing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Steve View Post
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    Point is tho he wasn't sent off for the clap - he just received a yellow for it. However, having already received a yellow, he was sent packing
    It’s a booking, and when you’re already on a yellow it’s stupidity to do that.

    It’s like kicking the ball away. Harsh to be sent off for it but you know it’s a booking every day of the week.


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    I don’t think the second yellow was harsh in the slightest, it was unbelievably stupid from a player already on a booking.

    You’re never not going to get booked for sarcastically clapping a decision the way he did.

    Wasn’t a penalty though I don’t think.

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    ****ing joke of a ref. Hun season ticket holder and a cheat
    Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course

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    Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course
    Madden is usually a decent referee, unlike Beaton.

    I think the first time I heard the season ticket comment about Beaton was when he sent Handling off at Ibrox.
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    Now I've watched spoetscene it's an even more baffling penalty

    I think the ball would have hit mccarts body if his arm wasn't across it

    I reckon Beaton incorrectly think it strikes his outstretched right arm instead

    Not too dissimilar to the penalty killie got against us at rugby park when lennon lost the plot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceinawhile View Post
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    I'm not convinced. Was in by his side and fired at him from pretty close.
    Never a penalty, not in 1 trillion light years. Will take it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcohibs View Post
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    Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course
    All Maddens family are Rangers supporters as is he

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    The penalty which we got happened right in front of me, his arms were up but in front of his body, it was a close range shot which would have hit his chest if his arm wasn’t there. With the penalty rule as it is now, it’s so hard for players to know what to do with their arms.

    On the whole, Beaton managed to upset both sets of fans, so it’s probably a good day at the office in his eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
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    The penalty which we got happened right in front of me, his arms were up but in front of his body, it was a close range shot which would have hit his chest if his arm wasn’t there. With the penalty rule as it is now, it’s so hard for players to know what to do with their arms.

    On the whole, Beaton managed to upset both sets of fans, so it’s probably a good day at the office in his eyes.
    He should have let the ball hit his body then and got his arm out of the way. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref got it spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhileTheChief.. View Post
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    He should have let the ball hit his body then and got his arm out of the way. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref got it spot on.
    You could well be right. Here is recent clarification of the laws around handball ..


    Following this clarification, it is a handball offence if a player:

    deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
    touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
    scores in the opponents’ goal:
    directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
    immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.
    Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.”

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    One of the most baffling refereeing performances for some time

    Seemed totally oblivious to what was going on half the time and later on allowed the players (mostly Hibs) to referee the game for him after originally missing incidents and thenn reacting to protests / shouts

    Terrible terrible performance

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    It wasn't a penalty looking back on slow-mo replays but I can see why it was given in real time.

    We've had these handball rules go against us as well and the media never kicked up a fuss then. The one against McGinn v Celtic and the one against Porteous v Killie and he Huns at home when we should have had a pen.

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    I think it is the way things are nowadays, any handball contact is going to be claimed by players and any handball contact in the box runs the risk of a pen no matter if arms are by side or in front of body. Thing is, if Boyles shot didn't hit McCarts arm and therefore it hits his body, whose to say the shot might not be deflected on it's way goalward.
    I didn't comment on Allen's one earlier for some reason but I think that is one Beaton did get wrong. Anywhere else on pitch it's a foul. At least for obstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SerenityGreen View Post
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    I didn't comment on Allen's one earlier for some reason but I think that is one Beaton did get wrong. Anywhere else on pitch it's a foul. At least for obstruction.
    Obstruction is almost never given these days and if it was, it would be an indirect free kick in the box rather than a penalty.

    I do think that one was a good claim though, not for obstruction but as I remember it the defender stood on his foot.

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    I dont know what is or what's not handball anymore.

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    I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.
    Would he admit he was a Rangers fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum_62 View Post
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    Now I've watched spoetscene it's an even more baffling penalty

    I think the ball would have hit mccarts body if his arm wasn't across it

    I reckon Beaton incorrectly think it strikes his outstretched right arm instead

    Not too dissimilar to the penalty killie got against us at rugby park when lennon lost the plot

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    I have a lot of sympathy with the referees as calls like this are not easy. I dont like the current rule and think it should be deliberate handball that is a foul, not an unavoidable hitting of an arm

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    Game's gone soft if that's a penalty. I'll take it though.
    We've been on the wrong end so many times we deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.
    Think a lot of the accusations that he’s a Rangers fan comes from the photos of him in a Rangers pub after an Old Firm game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.
    He's hardly going to advertise the fact to folk if he is a Rangers fan.

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    I actually think Madden is pretty decent, by Scottish refereeing standard, Beaton is one of the worst.

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    [QUOTE=nonshinyfinish;6707207]Obstruction is almost never given these days and if it was, it would be an indirect free kick in the box rather than a penalty.

    Ye agree, as soon as I typed I thought I do not recall any instances of obstruction being given nowadays. And, I am aware it is an indirect free kick. either way I do think it was a foul.

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    My son pointed out to me that Beaton moved in a square between the 18 yard lines never going near the touchlines
    If he had got closer to dome of the incidents perhaps his decisions might have been different.
    I know that referees run a diagonal when the game is going on but he as said never seemed to move out of that area which suggests lazy refereeing.
    Perhaps the referee supervisor will have put these comments to the Higher ups but as nothing is ever done about Clancy,Dallas and I don't think anything will happen

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