NO to reconstruction

[The 90+2]

Our pal Barry Anderson confirms today that 11 teams in the top league need to vote reconstruction through.

[Heisenberg]

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No it doesn’t. It reduces the prize money for the three lowest divisions. Why should they vote for that?


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I agree it’s unlikely but it’s not impossible. Better chance of promotion for these sides if there’s two up automatically and a playoff place.

[JimBHibees]

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Is he still self sufficient? Or is he just being sufficiently selfish to ensure Hearts don't get the relegation they've deserved by virtue of their league position and performances.

Another roaster in the pre and post admin Hearts tradition.

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Yep just waiting on Charlie Mann and Firework Phil to put their oar in.

[CockneyRebel]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...e-hearts-joke/

At last - someone telling it like it is!

[Waxy]

Whats going to happen when clubs rightly reject her groups proposals as theyre based on saving a self centred club, BUT are still open to reconstruction for the right reasons?
Done over a decent length of time and with fair warning?
Will budge just dump the group as all she cared about was using it to cheat hearts back into the top flight?
Or will she continue trying to reconstruct while hearts are down? Going on radio shows, using jambos in the media?
How long before a fishy ex Scottish politician pipes up?

[green day]

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Gilmour says: "If we change we should go to a top 16. There are 16 genuine full-time football clubs in Scotland. A 16 team top flight would give them protection and mean there is a further distribution of money."

Would be interesting to know who he thinks the 16 "genuine full-time" clubs are. The current top flight plus the Dundee clubs, ICT, Dunfermline and Partick Thistle is 17 - who's the odd one out? What about traditionally lower-Prem/upper-Champ clubs that are currently struggling like Raith Rovers or Falkirk?

Gilmour is an arse - plenty of St M fans agree too - and shouldnt have a voice in this.

[Peevemor]

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She is on now saying no one benefits from relegation ...

I wish she'd shut up with this and that people would put her right.

As things stand teams being promoted (thus taking the place of those being relegated) benefit.

Everyone (else) benefits from relegation because they don't have to split sponsorship and prize money between more teams in the event of league reconstruction.

[Peevemor]

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Whats going to happen when clubs rightly reject her groups proposals as theyre based on saving a self centred club, BUT are still open to reconstruction for the right reasons?
Done over a decent length of time and with fair warning?
Will budge just dump the group as all she cared about was using it to cheat hearts back into the top flight?
Or will she continue trying to reconstruct while hearts are down? Going on radio shows, using jambos in the media?
How long before a fishy ex Scottish politician pipes up?

If she's still there she will, otherwise Hearts will be obliged to overspend yet again to try to ensure immediate promotion.

[Stanton Spence]

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At last - someone telling it like it is!

At last? I think that article was written on the 1st of April mate

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[CockneyRebel]

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At last? I think that article was written on the 1st of April mate

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Then I'm quite surprised that I never come across it until now. I would have thought that folk who feel the same way that he does would have made more capital out of it. If they have/did then it means that I missed an awful lot of coverage of an important statement/viewpoint. Oh well - must be an age thing.

PS I should also have been clearer - I wasn't referring to his reconstruction views, just his comments re the Jambos.

[Spike Mandela]

Anybody been on other fans forums to get a flavour of their thinking regarding reconstruction? Had a look at Aberdeen AFC chat and it seems pretty similar in views to this forum. Anybody looked at the likes of Motherwell, Killie or the others?

Obviously we know Hearts position and I suspect Hamilton as well will back their proposal..

[Stanton Spence]

I'm struggling to keep up myself mate and actually thought it was a new article until I noticed it was dated the 1st of April at the top and I only looked because I've made the same mistake myself the other day
As much as I can't wait to see these delusional ****s relegated I'm fair enjoying watching them squirm, desperately running up blind alleys looking for a way out of the mess they have put themselves

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[Aldo]

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Our pal Barry Anderson confirms today that 11 teams in the top league need to vote reconstruction through.

So she needs to persuade 11 SPL teams that league reconstruction for 1 year will benefit them!! O ma sides.

I maybe wrong but straight away I cannot see Accies, St Mirren and maybe St J voting for it!


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[Spike Mandela]

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So she needs to persuade 11 SPL teams that league reconstruction for 1 year will benefit them!! O ma sides.

I maybe wrong but straight away I cannot see Accies, St Mirren and maybe St J voting for it!


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*Pedant alert: she needs to persuade 10 clubs..😜

[Aldo]

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*Pedant alert: she needs to persuade 10 clubs..

Oops. It’s been a long week! (Poor excuse I know) still won’t get 10


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[The 90+2]

Beautiful, isn’t it? 😁

[neil7908]

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So she needs to persuade 11 SPL teams that league reconstruction for 1 year will benefit them!! O ma sides.

I maybe wrong but straight away I cannot see Accies, St Mirren and maybe St J voting for it!


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Presumably we'll vote against as there is no way a proposal at this stage would be good for us or the SPL. So would need only 1 other club to vote no.

[Aldo]

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Beautiful, isn’t it?

O yes!


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[Aldo]

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Presumably we'll vote against as there is no way a proposal at this stage would be good for us or the SPL. So would need only 1 other club to vote no.

We don’t need to do anything imho. Others will already know exactly how they are going to vote even without seeing the proposal (s)


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[PatHead]

Think that there should be league reconstruction starting next season.

No relegation from the Premiership and no promotion from the championship for 5 years.

[Ozyhibby]

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Presumably we'll vote against as there is no way a proposal at this stage would be good for us or the SPL. So would need only 1 other club to vote no.

Anything that splits the spfl prize money with more teams is bad for us. Bringing in another team with a higher budget than us is bad for us as it makes it harder for us to get those top prizes and Euro qualification.
So far, I can see no advantage to us, so why would we vote for it?


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[hibeerealist]

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Anybody been on other fans forums to get a flavour of their thinking regarding reconstruction? Had a look at Aberdeen AFC chat and it seems pretty similar in views to this forum. Anybody looked at the likes of Motherwell, Killie or the others?

Obviously we know Hearts position and I suspect Hamilton as well will back their proposal..

Why would Hamilton back the Hertz proposal??

[danhibees1875]

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Why would Hamilton back the Hertz proposal??

It sounds like they're going to be the #2 in putting it together. They'll get what they need to get from it I think.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Why would Hamilton back the Hertz proposal??

They’re part of the team creating the proposal?

[The Harp Awakes]

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I wish she'd shut up with this and that people would put her right.

As things stand teams being promoted (thus taking the place of those being relegated) benefit.

Everyone (else) benefits from relegation because they don't have to split sponsorship and prize money between more teams in the event of league reconstruction.

I think the more Budge spouts this kind of stuff, the more clubs will turn against the idea. Hearts are naturally trying to save their own skins, but she's already sounding like a stuck record.

Clubs won't vote for a 1 season temporary fix to suit Hearts. A permanent restructuring of the league may sway the majority, but I still can't see it being enough to make it happen.

[chippy]

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See from all the the ideas floated, can anyone detail a benefit to Hibs of voting yes? Or to Aberdeen, Motherwell, Livi, St Johnstone.....

1. less chance of relegation costing loads
2. playing more teams spread across Scotland
3. more local derbies
4. more chance of young Scots being played/ becoming valuable assets
5. More attacking football
6. better for national team - more S it’s playing at a younger age getting 1st team football
7.larger leagues helps above to get closer to old firm
8. Football solidarity- its unfair to the clubs being relegated/ or in play off spots even though one of them is Hearts

that enough?

[Sammy7nil]

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1. less chance of relegation costing loads
2. playing more teams spread across Scotland
3. more local derbies
4. more chance of young Scots being played/ becoming valuable assets
5. More attacking football
6. better for national team - more S it’s playing at a younger age getting 1st team football
7.larger leagues helps above to get closer to old firm
8. Football solidarity- its unfair to the clubs being relegated/ or in play off spots even though one of them is Hearts

that enough?

Eh no.

Points 2,3,4,5 and 7 are either wrong or your opinion.

Less money in game, poorer players, more meaningless games, possibly worse tv deal, why rush this now without proper scrutiny?

[weecounty hibby]

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Eh no.

Points 2,3,4,5 and 7 are either wrong or your opinion.

Less money in game, poorer players, more meaningless games, possibly worse tv deal, why rush this now without proper scrutiny?

Not sure point 1 is correct either. It all depends on numbers being relegated. If 1 from fourteen then it is correct but if 2 from 14 then it's wrong. Also if it's 1 down 1 up then the div1 clubs won't go for it. It's a ****ing mess and all done to appease that total ****wit Budge and her even bigger ****wit fans. I'll say it again reconstruction is not necessary and if it was let's plan it properly and make it happen next season so all clubs know what they are playing for.

[B.H.F.C]

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1. less chance of relegation costing loads
2. playing more teams spread across Scotland
3. more local derbies
4. more chance of young Scots being played/ becoming valuable assets
5. More attacking football
6. better for national team - more S it’s playing at a younger age getting 1st team football
7.larger leagues helps above to get closer to old firm
8. Football solidarity- its unfair to the clubs being relegated/ or in play off spots even though one of them is Hearts

that enough?

No really. My question was about the incentive for clubs to vote yes. Unless it’s financially beneficial, they won’t.

Point 1, straight away, I’d disagree with. With a larger league you’d be increasing the number of teams relegated also. If it’s a temporary solution it would probably be three going back down next year. More chance of getting relegated.

A lot of what you have listed is just your opinion. Not a lot to suggest it would actually happen though.

[dchibs]

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They’re part of the team creating the proposal?

Perhaps he drew out the shortest straw.