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17-04-2019 07:06 PM #91Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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17-04-2019 07:09 PM #92
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17-04-2019 07:13 PM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Channel 4 showed a program last night where an all-white class went into an all-Muslim class to learn together. It was a real eye opener for everyone.
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17-04-2019 07:55 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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17-04-2019 08:15 PM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not saying I'd do away with religious people, by the way - I'm not advocating genocide, just to be clear.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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17-04-2019 08:27 PM #96
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17-04-2019 08:47 PM #97This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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17-04-2019 08:50 PM #98
I'm not daft enough to think football can eradicate bigotry and sectarianism in Scotland, but they do have the ability to rid it from football.
As soon as those songs are sung, there should be someone in the stands in contact with the ref, and he gets the ref to take the teams off.
The clubs who are guilty are given a 3-0 defeat and thats the end of it.
The rest of society can do what they like, but football has the tools to get rid of this problem in football grounds.
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17-04-2019 09:02 PM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteFollow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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17-04-2019 09:07 PM #100
The simplest, easiest way to deal with this, is to not give tickets to Celtic or Rangers fans.
Problem solved in one swift stroke.
Ignore the league’s rules for once and make a stand. Dress it up as being against sectarianism or whatever you like.
We take a financial hit but you never know, maybe we can fill the stand with everyone that stays away cause of the language.
Also means no away days in Glasgow so it pretty much solves the loyalty point thing too!
Genius.
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17-04-2019 09:37 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Back to the OP, I’d like to see Hibs give clubs whose fans use ‘orange’ or ‘fenian’ as an insult inside Easter Road less tickets for the next game. If it continues, less and less until it stops or they have no fans."Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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17-04-2019 10:37 PM #102This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteFollow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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17-04-2019 10:53 PM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-04-2019 07:01 AM #104
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18-04-2019 08:07 AM #105This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-04-2019 08:17 AM #106This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Strict liability should only be for incidents where there is mass singing not for single idiots running on pitch or throwing things. We have the law for dealing with that.
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18-04-2019 08:21 AM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm pretty sure he'd get a slap round the earhole if he was spouting that pish anywhere in the Hibs sections at easter road or at any away game.
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18-04-2019 11:23 AM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A good beat for striding out on a long walk.There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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18-04-2019 11:52 AM #110This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The old Chick Young / Derek Ferguson / Gordon Smith deflection tactic.... blame the Catholic Schools.
Catholic schools exist in every mainland UK city- London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Leeds, Dundee, Aberdeen etc etc. Logic would suggest that if faith schools are an incubator for sectarianism these cities would experience football related and societal related sectarianism similar to Glasgow and west central Scotland.
That patently isn't the case. Cities like Manchester and Liverpool with similar demographics to Glasgow had societal sectarianism in the 19th and into the 20th century but have moved on from those days so the question must be why hasn't Glasgow. In my view its the OF who are the incubator for a sectarianism which is now all about tribal labels rather than any actual religious beliefs.
The other question to ask (and its probably one for the Holy Ground) is why faith schools remain so popular in essentially secular 21st century Scotland. Of course the ultimate irony is what keeps them viable is the large number of Protestants, Muslims, Sikhs, agnostics and even atheist parents who choose to send their children to them.
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18-04-2019 11:56 AM #111This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-04-2019 12:20 PM #112This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My point, albeit poorly made, was that inclusive schools (where religious teaching could still take place) would help build tolerance and undersanding across all communities and ultimately would help with racism and sectarianism etc, in the same way that having mixed sex classes helped with sexism.
I understand also from another poster that there are already pupils from multiple religions that attend Catholic schools, and so hopefully we see this help the situation. Unfortunatley I doubt that the kids of parents who already hold bigotted beliefs are the ones that are attending these schools, so it won't change as much as hoped.
To be clear though, I have no issue with Catholic schools and I am not suggesting for a minute that Catholics are responsible for sectarianism.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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18-04-2019 12:34 PM #113This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-04-2019 12:56 PM #114
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18-04-2019 01:00 PM #115This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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18-04-2019 01:11 PM #116
Wasn't there a list of unacceptable songs/names published a few years ago? Whatever happened to it?
Reintroduce that and redefine what a hate crime is. Singing someone is a fat so and so IMO is a millions miles away from many of the songs old firm clubs (and a minority of hibs/hearts fans choose to sing) about religion and political battles
Fans singing billy boys? Warning
Fans singing it again? Individual Banning Orders
A third time? SFA involvement with fines/stadium closure within remit
STILL at it? Point deduction
The judicial system is happy to make a Hibs fans a scapegoat in the stand against fans entering the field of play. About time we started getting heavy with serial offenders here and it will soon get through
their are deeper societal issues, but that's another story
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18-04-2019 06:06 PM #117This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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