And another one for every other team
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Thread: One rule for Hearts.....
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16-04-2019 02:22 PM #1
One rule for Hearts.....
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16-04-2019 02:28 PM #2
That's a disgrace, I honestly hate things like that. Fair enough if the powers that be were trolling Hearts knowing that as it was the league cup they'd just **** up anyway, but it should be the same for everyone.
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16-04-2019 02:31 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Rules for each should be the same though
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16-04-2019 02:32 PM #4
The authorities don't give a toss that they are blatantly cheating now, the game is corrupt to the core.
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16-04-2019 02:37 PM #5This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good statement by Clyde though
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16-04-2019 02:39 PM #6
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The Clyde decision is the right one, in that any club not fielding an eligible, legitimate team for a competitive match should be hit with an automatic 3-0 forfeit, no questions asked, the same way that a goal scored by the striker handling the ball is disallowed. Any advantage you get from breaking the rules should be nullified - and it's only sanctions above and beyond that forfeit that would be punishments.
The one special case is perhaps Fort William in the Lowland League, where they got docked 3 points rather than a mere forfeit over their three infringements, but that might be because the team is so bad that losing 3-0 is a far-above-average result for them. You kindof have to go into negative points just to disincentivise them!
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16-04-2019 02:41 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2019 02:53 PM #8
Hibs must be happy with the way the rules are applied favourably towards certain teams or they would say so. It’s a mystery to me why we don’t seem to mind?
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16-04-2019 03:05 PM #9
One rule for Hearts.....
Still absolutely mental that Hearts played an ineligible player, won the game and got awarded 3 points, then got 2 points deducted.
As Clyde’s statement says, they were effectively awarded a point for playing an ineligible player. Incredible decision that was done purely so they could still qualify with a win in their televised game against ICT a few days later.
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16-04-2019 03:26 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If we were on the sharp end of any of these decisions then there would be uproar.
If Scottish football ever wants to evolve, it could start by applying the rules consistently. It's not difficult.
I agree with the point above, that Clyde actually deserved to be docked the points and shouldn't have any complaints about that fact alone. It is the fact that precedent seems to be dispensed with whenever it is convenient to go easy on certain clubs that Clyde will have thought they had any grounds for appeal.
Our authorities are a disgrace, and their lack of credibility detracts from the achievement of actually winning anything in Scotland.
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16-04-2019 03:38 PM #11
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One game scheduled for BT sports in a comp they would have been out of one for a lower league team.
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16-04-2019 04:07 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2019 04:19 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This sort of stuff doesn't do anyone in Scottish football any favours.
I only assume that Hibs would hope that if they found themselves breaking the rules that they'd manage to wriggle out of it with minimal punishment as certain other clubs seem to be able to, therefore they don't see the injustice here?
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16-04-2019 04:24 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How many other clubs released statements when Hearts were dealt with in a more lenient manner?
How exactly are Hibs "The Ultimate I'm alright Jack Club" ??????
While I dont disagree that Hearts appear to have been dealt with in an inconsistent manner, it never ceases to amaze me how people contrive to make SPFL or SFA cockups "Hibs fault" or "Petries fault".
Its boring and usually wrong.
As for your last sentence - was our Scottish cup win in 2016 a lesser achievement?
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16-04-2019 04:38 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ozzy makes a point of singling out Hibs for not saying anything when no other club has piped up either. If the point being made was anything other than a dig at the club then the question would have been phrased around whey all other clubs sit quietly.
If these types of decision are to be stopped than some channel for the clubs to express their disapproval needs to be available (it may exist already) but one club standing up on their own and making statements in the press will achieve nothing.
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16-04-2019 04:44 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The authorities are largely made up by the clubs, so rather than blame a faceless blazer, we will know who within our club is doing our bidding at that level. I think that's why it is easier to blame someone closer to home when in reality they are just a small part of the problem.
Personally I just don't like to see a wee club like Clyde on the wrong end of this inconsistency. It is not good for Scottish football, and I don't think there are many people who have the interests of Scottish football at heart. They just get on with advancing what is best for their club, Hibs have always done this. To be fair your point stands, they are not unusual in this respect.
Re the Scottish Cup - that's a bit of a sneaky one, and I don't want to think of it as tainted. I don't want to think of anything any club achieves as being tainted, therefore robust and consistent application of rules should be expected - rules that apply to our club as much as anyone.
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16-04-2019 04:52 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2019 04:53 PM #18
Don’t care about the whole different association thing, the fact Hearts gained a point while fielding an ineligible player was ridiculous. Clyde have been punished correctly, I can see why they’re moaning though.
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16-04-2019 05:00 PM #19
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Effectively, both Hearts and Clyde cheated.
Effectively, Hearts got away with it, albeit partly.
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16-04-2019 05:24 PM #20
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It's a conspiracy.
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16-04-2019 05:28 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2019 05:29 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2019 05:35 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I used to think the harsh punishments for fielding ineligible players was unjust, but I've changed my mind.
We're talking about professional sport. It shouldn't be too much to ask for big businesses to have their registration paperwork in order. Its nothing new.Last edited by Smartie; 16-04-2019 at 05:49 PM.
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16-04-2019 05:52 PM #26
Hertz. Cheats then, cheats now, cheats in the future. The real meaning of ‘Gorgie rules’.
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16-04-2019 05:56 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I appreciate that it was probably a genuine mistake but rules are rules.
If you accepted that reasoning, could you imagine how many "genuine mistakes" Sevco would be coming away with expecting the same lenient treatment?
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16-04-2019 06:02 PM #28
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16-04-2019 06:17 PM #29
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But, as the bits of your post I have highlighted proves, nobody actually knows.
So, if we agree Hearts cheated, then we have to agree that Clyde did likewise.
I personally think that neither did, to be honest.
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