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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Definitely. The Palestinians get crocodile tears from time to time but bugger all useful help from neighbouring Arab states.
    Thatís is very true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    None of the populations surrounding them have state of the art nuclear weapons, the world's best conventional weaponry, an intelligence infrastructure feared all over the world, the world's only military superpower as trusted ally, a total disregard for brownskinned life, and have a track record of invading and killing their neighbours again and again.

    I think Israels future looks fairly rosy.
    Will that always be the case though. Things can change. Weaponry will get cheaper and more destructive as technology becomes more widespread.


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    Arafat made a monumental error when he backed Saddam. The vitriol towards Palestinians in Saudi at the time was quite shocking and loads of them were immediately sacked and deported. They tend to have long memories over there which is of course, one of the problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Well how much influence is needed to control the media? Currently its seem the media is pretty well controlled.

    I'm no expert but does the US federal reserve not have authority over the central banking system? Who control the Federal Reserve? How much influence do they have on world affairs?
    I think that's already been established over a reasonably lengthy period of time

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    Oh good, more Bibi.

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    I am thinking of doing some half and half flags with Palestine and Catalonia, you know like the half and half scarves. Reckon I am onto a winner on here.
    Lol.

    How about some half Israeli half Palestinian scarves.

    A celebration of the two state proposal and a fetching Bohemian statement too.

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    Slightly off topic but reading but this hijacking, which involved a daring Israeli commando raid (during which Netanyahu's older brother was killed) was one of my earliest memories of watching the news:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/o...-a8852456.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by andybev1 View Post
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    Really is the most disgusting country. Remember for the hard of thinking The religion is not the nation as much as they would like people to think.

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/with...BJodSM-749Dg7A

    On March 19th, with no advance warning, Israel evacuated a Palestinian school in Shaufat, Occupied East Jerusalem, then demolished it. The schoolís principal reports that no official reason has been given.
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    video reposted from Middle East Monitor

    A Palestinian-owned school building that was under construction, in the Shuafat refugee camp, in occupied East Jerusalem was demolished by Israeli forcesí bulldozers Tuesday.

    Eyewitnesses recount dozens of Israeli occupation forces escorting the bulldozers into the refugee camp, while others closed off traffic at the checkpoint near the school.

    The Israeli forces then, reportedly, surrounded the al-Razi School from rooftops of nearby buildings while students and faculty were evacuated prior to the demolition. According to multiple witnesses, there were drones observed flying above the two-story school building and rubber-coated steel bullets fired on locals in the camp.

    The owner of the demolished school building, Muhammad Alqam, insists that he issued all necessary permits at the Israeli Jerusalem Municipality before beginning construction. Alqam was assured that the area belonged to the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA).

    There was no prior notice of the demolition before it took place, says Saleh Alqam, principal of the al-Razi school and an official reason for the demolition is yet to be confirmed.

    Despite the requisite preparations being carried out, the demolition order was issued, in November, by Israeli authorities.

    The United Nations has consistently condemned Israel for the practice of illegal demolition, since 2015.

    The al-Razi School had registered about 400 kindergarten and elementary students for the upcoming school year for the new building.
    Sickening. Especially when you consider what they as a people have experienced in the not too distant past. Seems they have short or selective memories. Not too different than some of the behaviour directed at them by the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    Sickening. Especially when you consider what they as a people have experienced in the not too distant past. Seems they have short or selective memories. Not too different than some of the behaviour directed at them by the Nazis.
    Agreed, it's this that always amazes me... Of all the countries across the world today, the one least likely to do stuff like that should have been Israel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    Agreed, it's this that always amazes me... Of all the countries across the world today, the one least likely to do stuff like that should have been Israel.



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    Arguably born of a persecution mentality, rooted in the Nazi attempts to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    Arguably born of a persecution mentality, rooted in the Nazi attempts to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.
    I can see where you are coming from, and agree to an extent.

    If I was i was in charge over there I'd be doing everything I could to make the people "on the ground" from all creeds to have the best possible lives, decent hospitals, schools, jobs etc... Make it a place people want to "be". Try to have everyone mixing like hundreds of years ago when Jerusalem, for example, was a melting pot of peoples (mostly) getting along.

    Don't get me wrong, Israel obviously has its enemies, but if it sorted itself out at home then they'd get so much more support around the world when combating said adversaries.




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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    Modern day Israel's neighbours would quite happily see the country wiped from the map so a hardline mentality prevails.
    This is the kind of baseless justification that kept the National Party in power under apartheid South Africa. A pretence of fear of being 'swamped' by brown skinned neighbours, fatuous claims of the inherent violent nature of the black Africans, theological justification based on misreadings of religious scripture. It's the Apartheid playbook. There was of course no threat of a military nature against Botha's regime, and there's no threat of Israel being challenged militarily from it's neighbours either, as I've already pointed out. Well, aside from gangs of teenagers chucking stones at soldiers armed with state of the art weaponry. And you pin the native population down in smaller and smaller enclaves with no jobs no water and no hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    I can see where you are coming from, and agree to an extent.

    If I was i was in charge over there I'd be doing everything I could to make the people "on the ground" from all creeds to have the best possible lives, decent hospitals, schools, jobs etc... Make it a place people want to "be". Try to have everyone mixing like hundreds of years ago when Jerusalem, for example, was a melting pot of peoples (mostly) getting along.

    Don't get me wrong, Israel obviously has its enemies, but if it sorted itself out at home then they'd get so much more support around the world when combating said adversaries.




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    TBF Jerusalem is pretty mixed. Highly recommend spending a number of days there. You get absolutely lost in the history of the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    This is the kind of baseless justification that kept the National Party in power under apartheid South Africa. A pretence of fear of being 'swamped' by brown skinned neighbours, fatuous claims of the inherent violent nature of the black Africans, theological justification based on misreadings of religious scripture. It's the Apartheid playbook. There was of course no threat of a military nature against Botha's regime, and there's no threat of Israel being challenged militarily from it's neighbours either, as I've already pointed out. Well, aside from gangs of teenagers chucking stones at soldiers armed with state of the art weaponry. And you pin the native population down in smaller and smaller enclaves with no jobs no water and no hope.
    I worked in Saudi Arabia for 7 years and you'd be surprised how many people view Hitler as a hero. They absolutely detest Israel with a passion that is quite hard to understand at times, given some of them have had western educations. Admittedly, the select few, but the point still stands. It's quite shocking in a way, but that's the way it is over there. Even the Jordanians had similar views, and it leaves you with the inevitable thought that nothing will change. I tried debating with some Egyptian workers on the basis that some Israeli's will be peace loving people who would like to live in harmony with their neighbours. The proverbial lead balloon which seemed to bring an instant barrage of hatred and stories about how wicked all Jews are. When you work there for a while you become accustomed to certain subjects which should never be brought up in polite company and Israel (you can only call it Palestine, no maps mention the "I" word) is right up there. This viewpoint is of course supported by the powers that be as every night on the news there was a "today the enemy Israeli army" topic to remind you who should hate and why. Sadly, meaningful dialogue still seems as far away as it ever was.

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