Islam Feruz

[truehibernian]

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But none were as good as Islam Feruz as I've heard he is once in a generation

I never said he was 'once in a generation'. That tagline is for the real talents of football - in Scottish terms, Dalglish was that. No one will come close to him and he could be labelled a 'one off'.

I think you and I would agree on a lot to be fair. Islam Feruz is a classic example of way too much, way too soon, and with people around him who didn't have his interests at heart. When you give a lad so much money at that age, in this era, you'll be hard pushed to find any Scottish lad to succeed.

Wonder if Kenny Dalglish would have been as successful for example if he had been paid silly money at Celtic as a youngster, with social media, scrutiny and criticism at the end of a 'send button' surrounding him at all times, and people around him who wanted to sponge and leech off him ?

Oh and the best youngster I've seen and played against was John Spencer - rattled 5 past us in a tournament at Ayr. What a player he was !

[cleanyman]

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I never said he was 'once in a generation'. That tagline is for the real talents of football - in Scottish terms, Dalglish was that. No one will come close to him and he could be labelled a 'one off'.

I think you and I would agree on a lot to be fair. Islam Feruz is a classic example of way too much, way too soon, and with people around him who didn't have his interests at heart. When you give a lad so much money at that age, in this era, you'll be hard pushed to find any Scottish lad to succeed.

Wonder if Kenny Dalglish would have been as successful for example if he had been paid silly money at Celtic as a youngster, with social media, scrutiny and criticism at the end of a 'send button' surrounding him at all times, and people around him who wanted to sponge and leech off him ?

Oh and the best youngster I've seen and played against was John Spencer - rattled 5 past us in a tournament at Ayr. What a player he was !

Aye that comment wasn't specifically for your post

But I do agree with what you're saying

[The 90+2]

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Who was a better player when he was younger. We have countless examples.

Michael Stewart ended up at Man Utd...they're a bigger club than Chelsea

Once in a generation though eh?

You clearly didn’t see him playing at the level he was at that age then, eh. Convo over cleanyboy.

[Pretty Boy]

Dembele at Celtic now is ahead of where Feruz was at a similar age. I've seen him a few times and he is an exceptional talent. I saw Feruz in the youths at Celtic and it can't be denied he was a great wee player but when he was stepped up into the older age groups he got lost a bit. Dembele still stands out when playing a couple of years up.

[cleanyman]

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You clearly didn’t see him playing at the level he was at that age then, eh. Convo over cleanyboy.

Well Feruz of course

As I said I wouldn't descibe him as once in a generation. He was okay. If I'd been dominated the way you have I'd have left a long time ago.

Toodles

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Well Feruz of course

As I said I wouldn't descibe him as once in a generation. He was okay. If I'd been dominated the way you have I'd have left a long time ago.

Toodles

😂😂 amazing.

[truehibernian]

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Dembele at Celtic now is ahead of where Feruz was at a similar age. I've seen him a few times and he is an exceptional talent. I saw Feruz in the youths at Celtic and it can't be denied he was a great wee player but when he was stepped up into the older age groups he got lost a bit. Dembele still stands out when playing a couple of years up.

The very real danger with Dembele PB is he will have his head turned like Feruz. Already different associations are trying to sway him, agents no doubt will be in his head convincing him of a 'grass is greener' deal, and social and tabloid media have built him up into the next Messi.

Just let the lad play football and let him develop unabated and with no distractions - impossible in this climate and era of football though.

[Pretty Boy]

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The very real danger with Dembele PB is he will have his head turned like Feruz. Already different associations are trying to sway him, agents no doubt will be in his head convincing him of a 'grass is greener' deal, and social and tabloid media have built him up into the next Messi.

Just let the lad play football and let him develop unabated and with no distractions - impossible in this climate and era of football though.

Yep keeping his feet on the ground and just letting him enjoy his football will be the hard part.

Tommy Burns was good for Feruz in that regard and had he still been around I wonder if things might have worked out differently.

[Salisbury Hibby]

And their trial system and selection policy is objective to say the least.

Being objective is good.

Did you mean "subjective"?

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[truehibernian]

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Being objective is good.

Did you mean "subjective"?

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I did indeed, I stand corrected.

If you saw the coaches selecting them your heart would sink.

[MWHIBBIES]

Desperately overrated, I'd have been more surprised had he actually made it. These "generational talents" are quite often rubbish. Especially at Celtic, they are the worst I've ever seen for overrating players.

To say guys who have gone on to achieve far more were nowhere near him makes me laugh. That's right, they're much better.

[eastmainsmsh]

Similar to Freddy adu

[Baader]

Potential doesn't mean a thing unless you fulfill it. I remember hearing years ago that Jamie McCluskey had more ability than Riordan and O'Connor. Maybe he did aged 16 but it didn't amount to much for Hibs.

I've worked with Owen Hargreaves quite regularly and I remember being a bit taken aback when he told me talent is overrated. His argument being that every player signed up young to a big club has talent. The difference between success and failure comes down to attitude, desire and hard work. Expect he's probably right.

[HoboHarry]

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Potential doesn't mean a thing unless you fulfill it. I remember hearing years ago that Jamie McCluskey had more ability than Riordan and O'Connor. Maybe he did aged 16 but it didn't amount to much for Hibs.

I've worked with Owen Hargreaves quite regularly and I remember being a bit taken aback when he told me talent is overrated. His argument being that every player signed up young to a big club has talent. The difference between success and failure comes down to attitude, desire and hard work. Expect he's probably right.

If that is the case why doesn't wee Lewis play for Real Madrid?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Potential doesn't mean a thing unless you fulfill it. I remember hearing years ago that Jamie McCluskey had more ability than Riordan and O'Connor. Maybe he did aged 16 but it didn't amount to much for Hibs.

I've worked with Owen Hargreaves quite regularly and I remember being a bit taken aback when he told me talent is overrated. His argument being that every player signed up young to a big club has talent. The difference between success and failure comes down to attitude, desire and hard work. Expect he's probably right.

Look at Riordan v Steven Fletcher for evidence of that. The one with the talent wasn’t the one that got the £££££ deals.

[Allant1981]

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Look at Riordan v Steven Fletcher for evidence of that. The one with the talent wasn’t the one that got the £££££ deals.

Bit unfair on riordan!!! To suggest fletcher didnt have talent is nuts

[JimBHibees]

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Desperately overrated, I'd have been more surprised had he actually made it. These "generational talents" are quite often rubbish. Especially at Celtic, they are the worst I've ever seen for overrating players.

To say guys who have gone on to achieve far more were nowhere near him makes me laugh. That's right, they're much better.

Agree was Steve Fulton not compared to Baggio at Celtic.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Bit unfair on riordan!!! To suggest fletcher didnt have talent is nuts

I didn’t.

I think DR made an ok career from an exceptional level of talent. SF made a very, very good career from a very good level of talent.

[Keith_M]

If Feruz actually has talent, then he still has plenty of time to prove it. He could move to a smaller club and just concentrate on playing.

He's still only 23.

[Allant1981]

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I didn’t.

I think DR made an ok career from an exceptional level of talent. SF made a very, very good career from a very good level of talent.

So by saying the one with talent(riordan) wasnt the one who got big money moves was you actually suggesting fletcher was talented, got you now!

[JeMeSouviens]

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So by saying the one with talent(riordan) wasnt the one who got big money moves was you actually suggesting fletcher was talented, got you now!

Baader's original post I was replying to (and agreeing with) said:

every player signed up young to a big club has talent. The difference between success and failure comes down to attitude, desire and hard work.

2 players can both be talented but one much more so than the other, no?

[The 90+2]

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So by saying the one with talent(riordan) wasnt the one who got big money moves was you actually suggesting fletcher was talented, got you now!

No. It was suggesting the less talented player made the most money. Had the better career, It’s not that hard to work out.

Fletch lived down south before coming up to live in the Jewel digs, Riordan was a home boy, another massive difference.

Riordan had the most talent. Fletcher had a left foot as good as Deeks poor foot. He worked harder for his career. Why get constantly offended all the time?

[cleanyman]

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No. It was suggesting the less talented player made the most money. Had the better career, It’s not that hard to work out.

Fletch lived down south before coming up to live in the Jewel digs, Riordan was a home boy, another massive difference.

Riordan had the most talent. Fletcher had a left foot as good as Deeks poor foot. He worked harder for his career. Why get constantly offended all the time?

But none were as good as wee Feruz supposedly

[Haymaker]

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Potential doesn't mean a thing unless you fulfill it. I remember hearing years ago that Jamie McCluskey had more ability than Riordan and O'Connor. Maybe he did aged 16 but it didn't amount to much for Hibs.

I've worked with Owen Hargreaves quite regularly and I remember being a bit taken aback when he told me talent is overrated. His argument being that every player signed up young to a big club has talent. The difference between success and failure comes down to attitude, desire and hard work. Expect he's probably right.

Work ethic and attitude will take you far

[Allant1981]

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But none were as good as wee Feruz supposedly

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[Allant1981]

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No. It was suggesting the less talented player made the most money. Had the better career, It’s not that hard to work out.

Fletch lived down south before coming up to live in the Jewel digs, Riordan was a home boy, another massive difference.

Riordan had the most talent. Fletcher had a left foot as good as Deeks poor foot. He worked harder for his career. Why get constantly offended all the time?

Not offended in the slightest but thanks for your concern