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21-03-2019 04:31 PM #91
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22-03-2019 06:01 AM #92This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You wouldn’t ask “what impact will product A have on the future of the world favourite, long established product B” without asking if the quality of product A was actually any good. The same applies here. And when someone told you that product A was massively inferior your answer would then be “absolutely none”.Last edited by calumhibee1; 22-03-2019 at 06:10 AM.
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22-03-2019 06:24 AM #93
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22-03-2019 06:48 AM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just because the answer isn’t favourable to women’s football it doesn’t make it sexist bull. You don’t have to big up women’s football as something it’s not to not be sexist.
Change the question to “what impact will junior/lowland league football have on the future of top level men’s football in Scotland” and you’d get the same answer with the same reasoning (although junior/lowland league football is much closer to the men’s top level game in the majority of aspects whether that be standard, coverage, crowds, finances, probably even facilities).
People aren’t making these points because it’s women’s football, it’s because it’s pretty hard to see any other outcome than it having no impact whatsoever.
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22-03-2019 06:52 AM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-03-2019 07:08 AM #96
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As a planet we have a roughly 50/50 split of sexes. So why wouldnt the news reflect that? Its nothing to do with how much they are paid or how many people want to watch them. And in case you haven't noticed there is no shortage of space for reporting now. Its not like they are pushing out Junior teams from the pages of the Pink. The majority read sports news on line.
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22-03-2019 07:12 AM #97
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22-03-2019 07:19 AM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If there is the market for reporting on the womens game then it will happen, it probably does already but of course it has to do with how many people watch it or how popular it is
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22-03-2019 07:26 AM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The question asks if there’ll be an impact on the future of the men’s game. The quality of the women’s game is massively linked to whether there would be any impact. Low quality will mean low/no impact. High quality could potentially mean a big impact, people potentially going to watch on a Sunday at 5pm or whenever it’s played and not going to watch men on a Saturday at 3pm.
I’m not sure if you’re talking about on this thread or more generally, but there’s been absolutely nothing sexist as far as I can see. People just aren’t dressing women’s football up as some sort of entertaining high quality product and are pointing out that while the standard is as poor as it is that there’s no incentive to watch or read articles or whatever else and that because of that it’ll have no impact on the men’s game.Last edited by calumhibee1; 22-03-2019 at 07:28 AM.
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22-03-2019 07:29 AM #100
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Women is scotland wont get on that level in my lifetime. Hence why anyone who is half decent is moving down south. That will have a detrimental effect on the womens games in scotland as the quality will not be seen to improve. Even if the best scottish players are improving.
The WSL in england is improving every year and is a very watchable spectacle for most now.
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22-03-2019 07:37 AM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I have no doubt the game is improving and as I've mentioned before anyone who wants to play the game should be able to regardless of age or sex.
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22-03-2019 07:42 AM #102
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22-03-2019 08:22 AM #104
Is there a certain angle that some parents might start to be more inclined to take their kids - especially girls - to watch women's games in a family atmosphere rather than the bile that so often accompanies the bile in the men's game in Scotland?
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22-03-2019 03:53 PM #105
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22-03-2019 04:51 PM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is a sport that is widely played but has had very minimal general public awareness outside of Australia and New Zealand until now but we now have established sides, professional players and an ever growing tv following.
I believe that there is a real willingness down south to promote female participation in sport and plenty of companies and organizations are looking to capitalize financially off the back of it.
Sky are using netball as a test and a forerunner to how it will cover womens football further down the line.
Ten years from now, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Sky and the BBC are shelling out far more to cover womans football than male Scottish football, it will be a far bigger sport, UK wide, both in participation and interest.Last edited by Renfrew_Hibby; 22-03-2019 at 04:54 PM.
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22-03-2019 05:00 PM #108This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
men's football in Scotland has got enough to worry about without wetting the bed because of woman's football. our game is a bloody shambles.
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22-03-2019 05:19 PM #110
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It’s a false dichotomy.
The far bigger issue is the ever increasing concentration of resources among a decreasing number of elite European clubs.
Until we find a way to stop this and start redistributing money properly across the game Scottish football in all its forms will continue to fall further and further behind.
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22-03-2019 05:44 PM #111
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The sport indisputably has taken off in the last 5-10 years. Some facts: largest female participation team sport in UK. Third largest team sport in UK (behind mens football and rugby). Largest growth of participants in any sport on both percentage and absolute numbers.
This doesn't mean it's better or it will ever draw the same crowds or finance or interest. What can't be doubted is that it exists and is thriving. With this level of growth and market it will attract money and coverage
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22-03-2019 06:24 PM #112This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-03-2019 08:50 PM #113
One of the most notable changes over my 48 years watching Hibs has been in the number of women attending matches. Therefore the more women who play and are interested in football means the men’s team will receive a benefit, that’s why it is important that Hibernian Ladies remain strong and are regarded as part of the same club.
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22-03-2019 09:38 PM #114
If women want to play football good luck to them.
In the same way as the majority of women don't like watching men's football, I personally feel the same way about women's football...…...I find it painful to watch and I don't think they're very good, especially the goalies ! (in my opinion).
Having said that......the women's team would surely have put up a more impressive performance against Kazakhstan than the men's team did !
To answer the OP, I don't think women's football will have any impact on men's football
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22-03-2019 09:51 PM #115
As the playing numbers increase, the standard will increase as well which will help win over some of the doubters.
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22-03-2019 10:33 PM #116
Sone relevant stuff to this thread in here.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...game-1-4893847
As some have alluded to the game in England is going from strength to strength, no doubt assisted by the riches of the clubs.
That said it’s interesting to note that Hearts are effectively folding the womens / girls set up into the club as a whole, something I would like Hibs to do as well, esp as we seem keen to espouse our ‘community’ connections. Yet as it stands we seem reluctant to formally include the community of girls and women that already represent Hibernian into the football club.
As for the Op I’m not sure it’s a zero sum game. The rise and rise of girls playing football can also benefit the men’s senior teams as well. The fact the girls can aspire to play for their own club and country as well as dream of being professionals in their own right only encourages them to have an interest in the game as a whole. That means more of them want to see the men’s team play and the fan base of the club gets bigger by their involvement.
So I think it’s short sighted to see the women’s game as a challenge to the men’s game, it should be seen as an opportunity to bring more people into the game and ultimately more girls and women through the turnstiles at ER.
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22-03-2019 11:21 PM #117This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My 'fear' is that as the game grows south of the border then it further draws money that could potentially have gone into television or sponsoring the Scottish game. Barclays are basically committed to it now and many other big corporates will follow, we'll likely be left with betting and alcohol companies which will then get banned from sponsorship/advertising knowing our luck!
Edit. Not that I think the womens game should be held back, my daughter will watch and certainly gets an empowerment from seeing successful female athletes of all disciplines,definitely enjoys the success of the Hibs womenLast edited by Kaff; 22-03-2019 at 11:25 PM.
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23-03-2019 06:43 AM #118
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23-03-2019 06:49 AM #119This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I understand why some would be unhappy if money that could be spent on the men's team was diverted away but the flip side of that is the women's team are unable to 'stand on their own two feet' in terms of income because of the commercial contracts at the club.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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23-03-2019 07:11 AM #120
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If you side-step sexist nonsense, the growth of the women’s game in Scotland IMHO likely to have a positive impact on the game for all reasons given by multiple posters. The real competition for funding comes from the mega clubs. Because of this there may well be decisions made by media companies to support fast growing sports that reach out to new audiences for them. Answer for Scottish football is to make sure ‘product’ (ugh) is good which does not mean losing the visceral edge but does mean cleaning up its act as discussed on other posts.
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