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20-03-2019 09:06 AM #31
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20-03-2019 09:09 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Same goes for watching kids games or mates games, there is an interest because it's your mates or (hopefully) your kids.
As for the equal pay argument, surely that is only valid when it comes to prize money? It makes no sense whatsoever in terms of wages otherwise all male players would be paid the same!
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20-03-2019 09:14 AM #33
The rise of girls football is truly amazing.
Im often up at the Braehead shopping centre on a Sunday and the amount of girls there with their dads, still in the kits from Sunday morning games is unreal.
I never see that amount of lads kicking about, maybe it's just the location but when you see 4 teenage girls having a kick about in my local park, when there's not a boy in sight then you know times are a changing.
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20-03-2019 09:16 AM #34
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20-03-2019 09:21 AM #35
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Barclays have just announced a multi million deal for the WSL down south. It will still be another generation before the girls can make a decent living from the game but the quicker the better for me. And none of it will effect the men’s game.
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20-03-2019 09:22 AM #36City of green wrote...
It’s nothing to do with physicality.
People don’t watch more men’s football because they want to see more physicality.
Was more talking sport in general not specifically football.
There is more to it than that.
Horse Racing / Formula 1 etc - limited females involved but the package of entertainment and what TV shows etc makes it attractive for people to watch. Personally both bore me but many millions watch / attend.
Individual sports were skill is more needed than physical attributes. As I said if a female jockey, darts player or motorsport driver can compete with men directly then 100% they should be allowed too and rewarded the same. Won't surprise me if female's are allowed to compete with male golfers soon.
Regarding the other leagues mentioned..Scottish Football is in its own little bubble here. These other leagues are thriving and money is being made. Other countries have thrown lots of money into the game and Scotland has been left behind.
Left behind were? States has 330m people, China over 1b people, Australia 25m people. Course these countries are going to be able to attract better players. As the popularity of football grows simply due to their population they're going to be able to generate alot more money than Scotland and its 5m people
The women’s football team has qualified for World Cup as the women’s game doesn’t have the crazy money in it yet plus many Scottish National Team players play abroad / in England so they are getting challenged by the best.
Reality is men’s football in this country is regarded at same level of Irish and Welsh leagues around the world and miles away from EPL levels structurally and financially.
Reality is mens football in this country is regarded at the same level of every other football league in Europe outside of the German, English, Spanish and Italian leagues. You're not telling me Ukrainian, Croatian and Danish football is alot more highly regarded than ours to the Asian and American markets. We've got two of the biggest supported clubs in the continent (outside the top teams in those top 4 leagues). Go abroad and most football fans know Rangers and Celtic.
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20-03-2019 10:09 AM #39
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How would we get equal pay between women and men players when we don't have it among the men. It isn't unusual for a better paid player to be sat on the bench while a player earning less does the same job
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20-03-2019 10:25 AM #40
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Women have a higher hourly rate at Wimbledon etc as they only play three set to the men's five.
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20-03-2019 10:46 AM #42
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My friend wrote an article on this very subject at the start of 2018 that some of you may find interesting
https://thefootballblether.com/2018/...the-mens-game/
Any views or feedback would be welcome!
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20-03-2019 10:49 AM #43
From the handful of games I've seen on the telly, I don't think the standard, even in internationals, is good enough to get a mass market yet. But it might in a few years. There should be a snowball effect if more women take up the game and hence the talent pool will get deeper.
I wonder if, given the women are a bit less powerful than men, if it might be better if they reduced the size of the pitch a bit? Maybe play Scotland womens' at Tiny?
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20-03-2019 10:55 AM #44
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And, according to google, Atleti let their socis in for free and paying tickets started at 5 euros, so maybe not quite mass market yet.
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20-03-2019 11:19 AM #46
I regularly go and watch man utd ladies in league 2 down here. it's 5 quid to get in. they play at a nice wee stadium and get crowds between 2 and 4k.
it's a family feel to it, plenty dad's with their kids and wee girls who are absolutely over the moon to be able to follow football and have heroes that aren't just men. equality you can see how much it means to the dad's who take their daughters and get to spend quality time with them at their biggest interest.
the utd shop is full of young kids of both sexes getting their shirts printed with their favourite woman's player.
the standard is miles better than most on here give credit for. yes it's not as physical or even fast paced as the men's game but it's a good standard and some of the players are very technical. Katie Zelem played for juventus before utd and is excellent on the ball.
our own Kirsty Smith and Lizzy Arnott are going well and have never looked out of place.
I know the English leagues get more coverage and money than Scotland do but it's still miles behind the men's game.
I don't think it'll have a negative impact and if it gives young girls something to look up to and aspire to, or the ability to say I can do that - then it's done something positive.
if you watch it and don't enjoy it fair enough because it is different from the men's game but to rubbish it on the basis soley because it's woman is ignorance and chauvinistic.
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20-03-2019 11:28 AM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That isn't (currently at least) the case with football so talk of equal pay is quite easily shot down.
Like it or not quality has a bearing on levels of interest and income generated. As an example, you regularly get threads on here asking for £15/£5 entry for say Hibs v Elgin but if we drew Celtic or Aberdeen at he same stage of the same cup then higher prices are expected.
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20-03-2019 11:42 AM #48
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Personally, I just don't care about women's fitba, in the sense that I'm totally ambivalent and have no interest.
When it comes to Hibs, obviously I would rather the women's team won than got beat but I dont care a jot if they lose.
Im not against it, I think it's great that more young girls are playing sport, and if i had a daughter maybe I'd feel differently. But I'm not going to pretend I like it, or care about it just because its become fashionable. I see its success or failure coming from getting women watching it, otherwise whats the point in it - its an inferior version of the world's most popular sport, and it wont be able to compete.
I do resent the media attention it gets, which i think is forced and disproportionate, and I absolutely do resent all these suggestions that women players somehow deserve to be treated the same as the men. Men's football has taken 150 years to evolve to the point it is now at, and it pays so well because it earns so well. And which men do the women feel they should be paid the same as? The top few % of elite players, or the guy playing juniors earning 50 quid a week semi pro?
Women's football needs to stand (or fall) on its own merits imo and find its own natural level, which will be reflected in levels of pay and prize money.
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Whether that means we should artificially promote women's football is another matter but the decades in which footballs popularity soared to new heights, European football was born and international football developed into organised tournaments coincided with the decades in which women were denied the right to play the game in any official capacity.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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20-03-2019 05:09 PM #50
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Women’s football will probably take off on TV when someone remembers that 50 % of the viewing audience is women.Then perhaps the difference in ability and physicality won’t matter so much as women may enjoy watching women doing well.After all the Scottish women’s team has done far better than the men’s.
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20-03-2019 05:33 PM #51
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The English Ladies FA was formed the same year as the ‘ban’ and they used rugby grounds. People could still go and watch it if they had wanted.
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20-03-2019 05:41 PM #52
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Peak Williams would win a couple of games at the very least
The standard of the women's tennis is fantastic but as many have said football has an issue with that at the moment.
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20-03-2019 05:53 PM #53
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In the end the definitive factor will be who wants to watch what and it will not be women’s football IMO.
It’s Formula 1, but with Ford Fiestas.
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20-03-2019 06:07 PM #57
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So you've lost your point
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20-03-2019 06:12 PM #59
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You haven't
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