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    Our favourite Australian senator yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/henry_belot/stat...414919681?s=21



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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    'Ironic' far right fascism? I can't say I understand all of this article, or the motivations of the people it's describing, but it's intriguing and scary...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...online-fascism
    I read that as suggesting that far-right extremists are essentially trying to normalise and mainstream their extremism by placing it in a context of contemporary culture, memes, issues, language etc which - apart from its deranged hatred content - could otherwise be the inane chat of mumsnet, .net or kickback. 'I'm a totally average normal bloke who just happens to hate blacks/jews/muslims/pakis/gays. I don't really want to hate them but any reasonable ordinary bloke like me can see that they're responsible for X, Y and Z. Ordinary blokes like me should really be taking direct action. Anyone fancy a pint?'.

    This episode has really challenged me on my fundamental belief that free speech trumps everything. I have always thought that you cleanse hatred and lies with facts and truth. I'm not so sure now.

    As far as comments elsewhere on this thread go I'd just point out that the proportion of Muslims, Jews, Christians - and pretty much any other religion - who go out and commit terrorist acts are tiny. This isn't a religious problem, its an economic, societal and cultural problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    I read that as suggesting that far-right extremists are essentially trying to normalise and mainstream their extremism by placing it in a context of contemporary culture, memes, issues, language etc which - apart from its deranged hatred content - could otherwise be the inane chat of mumsnet, .net or kickback. 'I'm a totally average normal bloke who just happens to hate blacks/jews/muslims/pakis/gays. I don't really want to hate them but any reasonable ordinary bloke like me can see that they're responsible for X, Y and Z. Ordinary blokes like me should really be taking direct action. Anyone fancy a pint?'.

    This episode has really challenged me on my fundamental belief that free speech trumps everything. I have always thought that you cleanse hatred and lies with facts and truth. I'm not so sure now.
    I think that's correct. I suppose it's the terminology that I'm not altogether familiar with, ('redpill' is certainly a new one on me) and I don't really get involved with debating with the far right online so Im probably a bit clueless.

    The freedom of speech thing is a red herring when you're dealing with those who want to impose totalitarianism on the world. All other political motivations disappear for me personally when you're dealing with violent extremism or totalitarianism, it needs to be defeated and if civil liberties have to be curtailed that's the price that has to be paid. I've definitely moved my position on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    I read that as suggesting that far-right extremists are essentially trying to normalise and mainstream their extremism by placing it in a context of contemporary culture, memes, issues, language etc which - apart from its deranged hatred content - could otherwise be the inane chat of mumsnet, .net or kickback. 'I'm a totally average normal bloke who just happens to hate blacks/jews/muslims/pakis/gays. I don't really want to hate them but any reasonable ordinary bloke like me can see that they're responsible for X, Y and Z. Ordinary blokes like me should really be taking direct action. Anyone fancy a pint?'.

    This episode has really challenged me on my fundamental belief that free speech trumps everything. I have always thought that you cleanse hatred and lies with facts and truth. I'm not so sure now.

    As far as comments elsewhere on this thread go I'd just point out that the proportion of Muslims, Jews, Christians - and pretty much any other religion - who go out and commit terrorist acts are tiny. This isn't a religious problem, its an economic, societal and cultural problem.
    Clearing these people out of Facebook and other social media is not curtailing their free speech. They are still free to say what they like, just not on a privately owned platform. If Facebook was publicly owned then they would have a point but itís not. Facebook is a commercial company and is free to decide who uses its services. Itís time we gave them a push in the right direction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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