Allan starts for Celtic reserves

[BegbieHSC]

Playing today - what a waste of talent. Can’t believe Celtic would’t deal with us in January.

[Stuart93]

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Playing today - what a waste of talent. Can’t believe Celtic would’t deal with us in January.

Keeps him ticking over before joining us in the summer I suppose

[ian cruise]

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Playing today - what a waste of talent. Can’t believe Celtic would’t deal with us in January.

Hope he scores a hat trick and shows what they've been missing. Every chance he's demanded he gets played until the end of the season to keep his match sharpness and fitness up since they stood in the way of him moving in Jan. Otherwise could be an interesting employment tribunal re:stopping him work.

[BegbieHSC]

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Hope he scores a hat trick and shows what they've been missing. Every chance he's demanded he gets played until the end of the season to keep his match sharpness and fitness up since they stood in the way of him moving in Jan. Otherwise could be an interesting employment tribunal re:stopping him work.

Game over now - sounds like he bossed it. Apparently got a big cheer skinning an opponent.

[CMurdoch]

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Game over now - sounds like he bossed it. Apparently got a big cheer skinning an opponent.

Where did you get this from?

[Jim44]

This is an interesting scenario. I’ve asked before, but nobody seemed to know, how binding is a pre-contract? Say, for example, Celtic allowed him to play his way back into their plans, could he ask for the contract to be ripped up? The information, I’ve seen, seems to suggest that, unless the contract had ‘fine details’, it was a grey area and open to interpretation. The fact that a three year deal has been mentioned suggests that there is a bit of meat in the contract and that he will have to honour it in summer. But you never know.

[ian cruise]

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This is an interesting scenario. I’ve asked before, but nobody seemed to know, how binding is a pre-contract? Say, for example, Celtic allowed him to play his way back into their plans, could he ask for the contract to be ripped up? The information, I’ve seen, seems to suggest that, unless the contract had ‘fine details’, it was a grey area and open to interpretation. The fact that a three year deal has been mentioned suggests that there is a bit of meat in the contract and that he will have to honour it in summer. But you never know.

To the best of my knowledge they're not legally binding. It's a gentleman's agreement to sign a contract when your current deal is done but after the way he's been handled by Celtic so far I think he'd want a starting slot in writing before even considering signing on with them again.

He's going to be a Hibee don't worry.

[HoboHarry]

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Hope he scores a hat trick and shows what they've been missing. Every chance he's demanded he gets played until the end of the season to keep his match sharpness and fitness up since they stood in the way of him moving in Jan. Otherwise could be an interesting employment tribunal re:stopping him work.

I'd love to see how that could be enforced. I'm struggling to believe that any player could demand to be played, especially one who has already publicly committed to signing for another team. Also, Celtic would argue they couldn't reach an agreement with a player under contract to them. As long as Celtic continue to pay his wages they would be legally sound.....

[SquashedFrogg]

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This is an interesting scenario. I’ve asked before, but nobody seemed to know, how binding is a pre-contract? Say, for example, Celtic allowed him to play his way back into their plans, could he ask for the contract to be ripped up? The information, I’ve seen, seems to suggest that, unless the contract had ‘fine details’, it was a grey area and open to interpretation. The fact that a three year deal has been mentioned suggests that there is a bit of meat in the contract and that he will have to honour it in summer. But you never know.

If they change their mind on him we can always sell him back to them.......If they meet our valuation 😀

[BlackSheep]

As I understand the pre contract scenario is that it is a verbal contract, not a paper one... its full title being a pre-contract agreement.

Those better in the know than I about Scottish law can correct me if i am wrong but as far as I am aware a verbal contract is binding in Scotland, but i guess it could be argued by both parties in court.

[BullsCloseHibs]

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Playing today - what a waste of talent. Can’t believe Celtic would’t deal with us in January.

Maybe teaching us a wee lesson?

[ian cruise]

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I'd love to see how that could be enforced. I'm struggling to believe that any player could demand to be played, especially one who has already publicly committed to signing for another team. Also, Celtic would argue they couldn't reach an agreement with a player under contract to them. As long as Celtic continue to pay his wages they would be legally sound.....

Would depend if Celtic wanted the hassle of challenging it, or just decided it was easier to play him in reserve games. I wasn't suggesting he would be pushing for first team place, just that if he's turning up and turning it on in training every day he'd have an argument that he was bei g treated unfairly by not being given any game time at any level.

[Jim44]

Was there not a case several years ago involving a player renaging on a pre-contract? I think the club holding on to the player paid the other club a few grand in compensation.

[CockneyRebel]

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If they change their mind on him we can always sell him back to them.......If they meet our valuation 😀

[Shrekko]

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Was there not a case several years ago involving a player renaging on a pre-contract? I think the club holding on to the player paid the other club a few grand in compensation.

Richard Brittain I think. Ross County has to pay £40k to get him back from St Johnstone even though he never played for them.

[malcolm]

It can be a contract in the same way as any other contract between two parties - in writing (or even if you are not sensible, overly trusting or did not realise what you’d agreed it can be verbal). It will not be verbal that would be stupid and hard to enforce or difficult prove the terms agreed. Any contract will have what both parties’ commitments are and can cover penalties for breach.

It won’t be a contract that can be registered with the league for the purpose of player registration as it will need to be followed up by a further contract as agreed in the terms of the pre-contract that will be registered. I think the league will though recognise it if done very close to the conclusion of the player’s current contract.

Other than that if the second contract is not then completed then one of the parties is in breach of the first contract and can seek remedies in law to compensate. Such may even be as agreed in the terms of the pre-contract. Other than being registered and preventing a registration with another club/league the pre-contract us the same in that you can’t force someone to keep to it, it is the consequences of that that will be different too!

[joe_hfc]

A pre-contract is a binding. They are always written contracts. If Scott Allan were to stay at Celtic, then they'd need to buy him from us.

The Richard Brittain situation was the same. He had a change of heart and Ross County therefore had to pay a fee to buy him out his contract. It was nominal because St J knew he didn't want to come so it was better to receive at least something and let the situation end, rather than having some drawn out legal process or an unhappy player on their hands from the offset.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

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As I understand the pre contract scenario is that it is a verbal contract, not a paper one... its full title being a pre-contract agreement.

Those better in the know than I about Scottish law can correct me if i am wrong but as far as I am aware a verbal contract is binding in Scotland, but i guess it could be argued by both parties in court.

So we could be mo-jo'd

[LancsHibs]

Or what if Michael Appleton doesn’t fancy him and wants to bring his own player in that position, maybe somebody he has worked with before?

[CapitalGreen]

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Or what if Michael Appleton doesn’t fancy him and wants to bring his own player in that position, maybe somebody he has worked with before?

Michael Appleton managed Allan while he was on loan at Portsmouth (extending his loan during that time) and Allan has praised Appleton's management so I imagine they would be happy to work together again.

[oneone73]

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Or what if Michael Appleton doesn’t fancy him and wants to bring his own player in that position, maybe somebody he has worked with before?

Allan worked with Appleton at Portsmouth. Talks very highly of him.

[Tug Wilson]

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As I understand the pre contract scenario is that it is a verbal contract, not a paper one... its full title being a pre-contract agreement.

Those better in the know than I about Scottish law can correct me if i am wrong but as far as I am aware a verbal contract is binding in Scotland, but i guess it could be argued by both parties in court.

Common misconception in Scotland that a verbal contract is legally binding. Only a written contract is in any way binding.

However I would imagine that there is a full written contract between Hibernian FC and Scott Allan. This will have a start date that begins once his current Celtic contract expires. Not ITK on player contracts but have a lot of experience of other contracts mainly property.

[hibstag]

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Was there not a case several years ago involving a player renaging on a pre-contract? I think the club holding on to the player paid the other club a few grand in compensation.

Ritchie Brittain Ross county to St Johnston he wanted to stay for a few reasons after signing the pre contract - county had done well in first season and stayed up and he was a big part in this so county wanted to keep him and upped offer , he felt well supported by county during a family crisis. think county paid money to retain him to smooth over things

[malcolm]

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Common misconception in Scotland that a verbal contract is legally binding. Only a written contract is in any way binding.

However I would imagine that there is a full written contract between Hibernian FC and Scott Allan. This will have a start date that begins once his current Celtic contract expires. Not ITK on player contracts but have a lot of experience of other contracts mainly property.

No the misconception is yours a verbal contract is just as binding as one in writing. If the elements are there either means can make is an agreement between two or more parties which creates or intends to create legally binding obligations between the parties to it.

The difficulty is in evidencing what is said as apposed to what is documented with intent to clearly bind the parties.

It is also I think not called a pre-contract for nothing and would be followed up by a further conventional contract as agreed. It need not even be on the date his celtc contract expires but that will be what he asked for!

[hibstag]

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So we could be mo-jo'd

Ia m pretty sure that Mo Jo never actually signed for Celtic , They negotiated a fee with Nantes through Mcmurdo and then paraded him as a Celtic player.

Agent Orange said they would sort out the details later....

[ancient hibee]

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Common misconception in Scotland that a verbal contract is legally binding. Only a written contract is in any way binding.

However I would imagine that there is a full written contract between Hibernian FC and Scott Allan. This will have a start date that begins once his current Celtic contract expires. Not ITK on player contracts but have a lot of experience of other contracts mainly property.

Don’t want to appear rude but you are incorrect.Verbal contracts are legally binding in Scotland but the difficulty is the evidence.If there are only two people present when a verbal contract is agreed then it is impossible to prove.If there are witnesses present then the contract is enforceable.

[southsider]

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Or what if Michael Appleton doesn’t fancy him and wants to bring his own player in that position, maybe somebody he has worked with before?

Scott played under MA and a West Brom fan posted that he got on with Scott.

[Tug Wilson]

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Don’t want to appear rude but you are incorrect.Verbal contracts are legally binding in Scotland but the difficulty is the evidence.If there are only two people present when a verbal contract is agreed then it is impossible to prove.If there are witnesses present then the contract is enforceable.

Technically OK but bluntly verbal contracts are not worth the paper they are not written on.

[BILLYHIBS]

What if Scott Allan has signed a precontract agreement for three years with the club as reported on the main website at the time surely enforceable

I know don’t call me Shirley

[MWHIBBIES]

Is there even one thing to suggest Scott Allan will not be a Hibs player next season? Why is this being discussed?