Willie McKay and Emiliano Salah

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The legality of a contract that was not signed, if that was the case, would be impossible to justify, but if Cardiff continue with that line it is surely the biggest PR disaster of all time. They would be well advised to sort this with dignity with Nantes, well away from the media and newspapers.

[calumhibee1]

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I'm not for a moment taking Cardiff's side but if he hadn't signed (it's a big if) it's not a technicality. If a player on his his way to ER to sign for us lost his life would we have to pay a transfer fee?

Think Cardiff’s arguement is something along the lines of he had agreed the deal, Cardiff agreed the deal, both parties had signed, the deal had been submitted to the relevant FA’s/FIFA and there needed to be a small amendment to his signing on fee payment structure which from the way I read the article sounds like it came to light after his death. The signing on fee needed to be split into payments over the length of the contract rather than an upfront payment.

As others have said, if Cardiff are hoping they can wrangle out of the payment for a player who tragically died while on a flight on the understanding he’d signed for Cardiff already because they made an arse of a tiny detail in his contract then I hope they go bust.

[Scouse Hibee]

It will be the most costly OG in football history if Cardiff go down that route. Public opinion will be massively against them I would imagine, brand integrity left in tatters.

[CentreLine]

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Think Cardiff’s arguement is something along the lines of he had agreed the deal, Cardiff agreed the deal, both parties had signed, the deal had been submitted to the relevant FA’s/FIFA and there needed to be a small amendment to his signing on fee payment structure which from the way I read the article sounds like it came to light after his death. The signing on fee needed to be split into payments over the length of the contract rather than an upfront payment.

As others have said, if Cardiff are hoping they can wrangle out of the payment for a player who tragically died while on a flight on the understanding he’d signed for Cardiff already because they made an arse of a tiny detail in his contract then I hope they go bust.

I know nothing about the finer points of football contracts but it seems to men there is an opposite side of that argument. If (again a big if) the player was on his way to sign a contract then he is not yet the club’s player and they are not due, legally or morally, to pay the transfer fee. Surely he is the original club’s player until contracts are signed?

If the situation is as you say then it seems Cardiff are behaving abominably, however, if the player had not yet signed a contract then Cardiff are acting correctly. The Mo Johnston thing comes to mind. All bells and whistles press conference to say he’s signed for Celtic. Then later that same day, turns out all of the formalities were not complete and so he turns up a rangers player.

Let’s not start a social media witch hunt on Cardiff before the facts are known.

[Jack]

I'd imagine it's Cardiffs insurance company playing silly buggers not the club.

[Smartie]

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I'd imagine it's Cardiffs insurance company playing silly buggers not the club.

That will surely be the case, but Cardiff are not obliged to behave likewise.

[Famous Fiver]

So if no money has changed hands how does McKay and his entourage get their share?

Karma.

[calumhibee1]

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So if no money has changed hands how does McKay and his entourage get their share?

Karma.

They’ve claimed they’ve no interest in getting their money and won’t be pursuing it.

[PatHead]

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They’ve claimed they’ve no interest in getting their money and won’t be pursuing it.

I thought they said they would not be pursuing it for now. Has something changed?

[The 90+2]

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I'm not for a moment taking Cardiff's side but if he hadn't signed (it's a big if) it's not a technicality. If a player on his his way to ER to sign for us lost his life would we have to pay a transfer fee?

Cardiff announced his signing though.

[PatHead]

Would a verbal contract count?

[The 90+2]

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Would a verbal contract count?

They confirmed his signature when they announced his signing. Very pleased too by all accounts.

[Lendo]

Massive PR disaster waiting to happen for Cardiff City. If i was a club director doing business with them in the future i would be demanding any agreed transfer fee upfront.

[calumhibee1]

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I thought they said they would not be pursuing it for now. Has something changed?

Apologies, I thought they just said they wouldn’t be pursuing it and that was it but I will most likely be wrong. No change from the previous interview as far as I know

[HoboHarry]

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Cardiff announced his signing though.

I'm not even pretending to know what is true and what isn't - merely commenting on what has been posted....

[The 90+2]

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I'm not even pretending to know what is true and what isn't - merely commenting on what has been posted....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-announce-signing-goal-15703715.amp

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-announce-signing-goal-15703715.amp

I'm aware of that headline - I was commenting on the allegation that all may not have been as signed and sealed as was first thought.

[Itsnoteasy]

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-announce-signing-goal-15703715.amp

Remember when Mo Johnston said he had signed for Celtic.

[nellio]

I really hope were going to pay this and don't wriggle out on a technicality.

When you consider how much money the club will be getting even in we get relegated 15 mill isn't that much.

Interesting to see what is going to happen and how we justify it if we don't pay it. Could be embarrassing.

[Smartie]

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I really hope were going to pay this and don't wriggle out on a technicality.

When you consider how much money the club will be getting even in we get relegated 15 mill isn't that much.

Interesting to see what is going to happen and how we justify it if we don't pay it. Could be embarrassing.

I can't imagine many Cardiff fans would disagree with you.

This could drive a wedge between Cardiff and their owns fans, as well as the rest of the footballing world.

[nellio]

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I can't imagine many Cardiff fans would disagree with you.

This could drive a wedge between Cardiff and their owns fans, as well as the rest of the footballing world.

Wouldn't be the first time the owner has done that.

I see that FIFA are obtaining evidence from both sides and will make the decision. Will be extremely embarrassing if they force us to pay it.

I just can't see how we can not pay it. He's there at the ground holding our shirt! We surely can't announce the signing and the pictures then say he hasn't signed!!!

[Besties Debut]

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It's also made me reevaluate my views on the whole Kevin Thomson ****show in 2006/7. Judging by what has emerged about what dodginess McKay is capable of, it's fairly obvious that he is well capable of totally manipulating a young footballer like KT. The 'walking along the M8 on broken glass' thing and the Daily Record columns fit a pattern, that as KT has since said he wasn't able to control.

KT has since stated that he did not say the ''broken glass'' quote and it was entirely made up by a journalist. Its a pity he didn't come out and deny it at the time but then again the fans of his new club were lapping it up so it looks like he decided to be pragmatic and let it run.

[hfc rd]

Thing is though, Cardiff announced him as their record signing. He had the medical, posed with the home shirt and I’m sure did an exclusive interview with Cardiff who also publicly announced the signing. Also met the manager Warnock who even invited him to watch his new team mates play against Newcastle on the day he signed. The lad declined as wanted to go back to France to say goodbye to his Nantes teammates. We all know unfortunately what happened after that 😢

From what it looks like they should pay it and it is low as **** if they are trying to squirm their way out of it. Disgraceful on Cardiff's part. All too happy to receive the good wishes from the rest of the footballing world when the lad died, but now they're doing a good impression of Peter the Apostle: "Who? Emiliano Sala? Never heard of him”!

[JimBHibees]

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Thing is though, Cardiff announced him as their record signing. He had the medical, posed with the home shirt and I’m sure did an exclusive interview with Cardiff who also publicly announced the signing. Also met the manager Warnock who even invited him to watch his new team mates play against Newcastle on the day he signed. The lad declined as wanted to go back to France to say goodbye to his Nantes teammates. We all know unfortunately what happened after that 😢

From what it looks like they should pay it and it is low as **** if they are trying to squirm their way out of it. Disgraceful on Cardiff's part. All too happy to receive the good wishes from the rest of the footballing world when the lad died, but now they're doing a good impression of Peter the Apostle: "Who? Emiliano Sala? Never heard of him”!

Agree morally reprehensible. As you say announced him picture with the strip, pictures of him signing with I think the owners son or at least a high ranking Cardiff official yet no he hasnt signed. Frankly despicable.

[BILLYHIBS]

Shame on Cardiff City!

One would think they would have Insurance in place to cover such eventualities?

Regardless they should do the decent thing

[PatHead]

Think it will put other players off signing for them. Sorry Nellio but I hope they get relegated and go into free fall until the owner leaves.

[CentreLine]

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Shame on Cardiff City!

One would think they would have Insurance in place to cover such eventualities?

Regardless they should do the decent thing

I think we are too quick to jump on the bandwagon when people make assumptions about what happens then start to believe it as fact. How does it go? “Confucius say the mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open”

It is quite possible that Cardiff have behaved abominably here. But it is equally possible that the player had not yet signed and therefore he is not their responsibility. Could it be that his trip to France was about finalising pre signing detail there? Could it be the Mo Johnson situation? If so Cardiff are not liable for the fee and people would be wrong to be so keen to have a cause celebre.

[Speedy]

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Shame on Cardiff City!

One would think they would have Insurance in place to cover such eventualities?

Regardless they should do the decent thing

Thing is, he either signed or he didn't. If he hadn't then their insurance is irrelevant, and it's up to the French club to go through their insurance.

[BILLYHIBS]

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I think we are too quick to jump on the bandwagon when people make assumptions about what happens then start to believe it as fact. How does it go? “Confucius say the mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open”

It is quite possible that Cardiff have behaved abominably here. But it is equally possible that the player had not yet signed and therefore he is not their responsibility. Could it be that his trip to France was about finalising pre signing detail there? Could it be the Mo Johnson situation? If so Cardiff are not liable for the fee and people would be wrong to be so keen to have a cause celebre.

Why announce it then?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...villa-15706138

Looks to me from the attached image that he has signed or about to sign a contract with a proud Chairman looking on

You cannot defend the indefensible

[calumhibee1]

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I think we are too quick to jump on the bandwagon when people make assumptions about what happens then start to believe it as fact. How does it go? “Confucius say the mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open”

It is quite possible that Cardiff have behaved abominably here. But it is equally possible that the player had not yet signed and therefore he is not their responsibility. Could it be that his trip to France was about finalising pre signing detail there? Could it be the Mo Johnson situation? If so Cardiff are not liable for the fee and people would be wrong to be so keen to have a cause celebre.

Cardiff announced his signing. The chairman said:

“It's obviously been a long process to secure the services of Emiliano but I'm very pleased that we're now in a position whereby we can confirm his signature.

"I'm sure all Cardiff City fans will join me in that and we can look forward to seeing our record signing in a Bluebirds shirt."

As far as Cardiff were concerned it was a done deal, he was their player. Then he tragically passed away and they’re trying to wash their hands of him through some form of technicality and leave Nantes to pick up the pieces. Cardiff HAVE behaved abominably. You can guarantee if what happened hadn’t happened and Nantes had decided to tell Cardiff he was still their player that Cardiff would be going absolutely mental.

Cardiff deserve everything that I hope is coming to them. For them to cease to exist as a football club would be karma.