Lost Dressing Room.

[emerald green]

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I said in October that Lennon had lost the dressing room. Nothing has changed since then. I could go on and on listing examples but team selection,formations, tactics and erratic behaviours are affecting the whole club. It's best if he moves on. Thanks Neil bit you are grinding us down.

If the manager/coach has lost the dressing room, there is usually no way back. There's lots of recent examples of that. He has to go.

It's vital however that the team does not go into freefall, because if they do it has a domino effect with season ticket sales also going into freefall.

[SChibs]

I get the feeling if things are going well Lennon is a great manager to play under. However of things are going badly he is a nightmare to work with. The problem is if it's the managers tactics and line ups/formations that are the problem there is only so much the players can do.

If this has been going on for a while could it be the reason efe invoked the clause but still has no club? He's praised Lennon in the past and maybe didn't want to be involved in a revolt and could see the way things were going

[Northern Hibby]

If set out correctly and encouraged to play the way we know they can, i see no reason for freefall there is enough talent in the current squad to see us through.

[Smartie]

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If set out correctly and encouraged to play the way we know they can, i see no reason for freefall there is enough talent in the current squad to see us through.

We have problems scoring goals and that is down to personnel (or lack of) much more than who our manager is.

The biggest negative about Lennon leaving now is that it leaves us pretty much unable to rectify that particular situation.

If freefall happens then it will be due to this.

We have a strong core of players who I'm sure any manager would want to work with but I am concerned about our obvious deficiencies which realistically cannot now be addressed.

[J-C]

Unfortunately this season has seen Lennon being very bi polar and the players were starting to hate going into training as they never knew what Lennon was going to turn up.

[Tyler Durden]

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We have problems scoring goals and that is down to personnel (or lack of) much more than who our manager is.

The biggest negative about Lennon leaving now is that it leaves us pretty much unable to rectify that particular situation.

If freefall happens then it will be due to this.

We have a strong core of players who I'm sure any manager would want to work with but I am concerned about our obvious deficiencies which realistically cannot now be addressed.

I’m not so sure we can’t still make some decent signings.

Look at Jason Cummings as an example. If Hibs (via George Craig let’s say) make an offer to sign him on loan until the end of the season and he doesn’t have any better offers....he’s going to sign. I don’t see our lack of a manager at that point being a deciding factor. Players will look at the money on offer and their chances of game time.

Granted not every player will think that way but if we get Maclaren back and Agyepong fit, I personally don’t think we need too many additions to improve short term.

Not really a worse position than trusting Lennon with the budget when his commitment and his record on recruitment was so questionable.

[Lago]

What a sad state of affairs Hibs find themselves in.😥

[Eyrie]

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What a sad state of affairs Hibs find themselves in.😥

But not of the club's own making.

[Joe6-2]

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10,15,20,25 years ago true total through and through hibs fans have been lost forever buying season tickets,we have got the younger generation buying on the back of the cup success but we will lose them if we continue to act like we have in years gone by

I can just see it happening, our lack of ambition, the odd light at the end of the tunnel always being snuffed out

[calumhibee1]

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But not of the club's own making.

Yup. We can debate whether it was time for Lennon to go or not all we want but this situation isn’t the club’s fault. From the sounds of things Lennon put them in a position where they had to pull the trigger.

[where'stheslope]

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Yup. We can debate whether it was time for Lennon to go or not all we want but this situation isn’t the club’s fault. From the sounds of things Lennon put them in a position where they had to pull the trigger.

Is that not what he's been doing throughout the season?
Making it so his position was untenable, not talking to the media at after game interviews ect.!!!
Talking out about players in the press, it all adds up to sooner or later the club has to say enough's enough!!
The problem we have is proving he has deliberately this is what he has done, if proved, we can fire him and tear up his contract, otherwise we have to pay out his contract!!!!!

[we are hibs]

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Is that not what he's been doing throughout the season?
Making it so his position was untenable, not talking to the media at after game interviews ect.!!!
Talking out about players in the press, it all adds up to sooner or later the club has to say enough's enough!!
The problem we have is proving he has deliberately this is what he has done, if proved, we can fire him and tear up his contract, otherwise we have to pay out his contract!!!!!

What are the club meant to prove he done deliberately?

[judas]

This is the best thread about this situation at the moment on Hibs net.

All points made seem very rational to me.

[Lester B]

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The problem we have is proving he has deliberately this is what he has done, if proved, we can fire him and tear up his contract, otherwise we have to pay out his contract!!!!!

Sorry but that really isn't how it works at all. If his behaviour is unreasonable the club can discipline him. If he commits gross misconduct then he could be fired. But tear up his contract? Can't happen. We have to pay out his contract in full otherwise? Not necessarily

[JimBHibees]

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I’m not so sure we can’t still make some decent signings.

Look at Jason Cummings as an example. If Hibs (via George Craig let’s say) make an offer to sign him on loan until the end of the season and he doesn’t have any better offers....he’s going to sign. I don’t see our lack of a manager at that point being a deciding factor. Players will look at the money on offer and their chances of game time.

Granted not every player will think that way but if we get Maclaren back and Agyepong fit, I personally don’t think we need too many additions to improve short term.

Not really a worse position than trusting Lennon with the budget when his commitment and his record on recruitment was so questionable.

Even the players that are linked at the moment such as Efe, Jason, Allan and maybe Barker dont think any of them would baulk and not sign with Hibs if they are happy with the deals being offered as they all would be able to check with players at the club whether Lennon leaving is positive. If we could get 3 of them in then think window would be decent.

[where'stheslope]

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Even the players that are linked at the moment such as Efe, Jason, Allan and maybe Barker dont think any of them would baulk and not sign with Hibs if they are happy with the deals being offered as they all would be able to check with players at the club whether Lennon leaving is positive. If we could get 3 of them in then think window would be decent.

Who's going to negotiate these deals?
Until we have a manager in place it will be hard to do, as when a new manager comes in he would not maybe want all of them.

[bigwheel]

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Who's going to negotiate these deals?
Until we have a manager in place it will be hard to do, as when a new manager comes in he would not maybe want all of them.

Lennon won’t negotiate any deal. He would though sell his vision and the intended role in that to the target

[Smartie]

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Who's going to negotiate these deals?
Until we have a manager in place it will be hard to do, as when a new manager comes in he would not maybe want all of them.

In my opinion it's not the negotiation that is the problem - people other than the manager carry out most of the negotiations.

The problem I see it is why would any of these players commit to Hibs when within the next few days a new manager could come in and confine them to the sidelines with no opportunity to do anything about it for 6 months?

[flash]

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In my opinion it's not the negotiation that is the problem - people other than the manager carry out most of the negotiations.

The problem I see it is why would any of these players commit to Hibs when within the next few days a new manager could come in and confine them to the sidelines with no opportunity to do anything about it for 6 months?

They will if they have confidence in their ability.

[JimBHibees]

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Who's going to negotiate these deals?
Until we have a manager in place it will be hard to do, as when a new manager comes in he would not maybe want all of them.

Managers wouldn't agree the deals however the club may have an idea who they want and run a few names past them but also may need to make decisions on players as we need quality in and window shuts this week.

[Smartie]

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They will if they have confidence in their ability.

They might, especially if they are young and naive.

A more experienced player will be more likely to have fallen foul of the fickle nature of the game at some point and know that sometimes in spite of your ability a manager just won't fancy you.

In a short career committing to a place of uncertainty would be a big risk.

[southsider]

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Who's going to negotiate these deals?
Until we have a manager in place it will be hard to do, as when a new manager comes in he would not maybe want all of them.

Lenny was head coach. George sought out players, LD done the deals and Lenny coached them. But he would have a big say in who we brought in. Window still open for George & LD to bring in a couple of fresh faces.

[jacomo]

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In my opinion it's not the negotiation that is the problem - people other than the manager carry out most of the negotiations.

The problem I see it is why would any of these players commit to Hibs when within the next few days a new manager could come in and confine them to the sidelines with no opportunity to do anything about it for 6 months?

It’s an issue, no doubt about it.

We need at least one striker and a centre back, unless we are just waiting for the Aussies to return and hoping for the best.

[Peevemor]

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Lenny was head coach. George sought out players, LD done the deals and Lenny coached them. But he would have a big say in who we brought in. Window still open for George & LD to bring in a couple of fresh faces.

There could well be players that Lennon vetoed but could come in an do a job.

[scooby]

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I get the feeling if things are going well Lennon is a great manager to play under. However of things are going badly he is a nightmare to work with. The problem is if it's the managers tactics and line ups/formations that are the problem there is only so much the players can do.

If this has been going on for a while could it be the reason efe invoked the clause but still has no club? He's praised Lennon in the past and maybe didn't want to be involved in a revolt and could see the way things were going

Consumed by his own demons?

[hibsfan7]

When a manager loses the dressing room then there is no way back he has to go