Cardiff Emiliano Sala

[The 90+2]

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Quite possibly but you never know


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Can’t it be recovered using iCloud or equivalent?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Do they need to recover the phone? On Hunted,they seem to be able to listen via the networked mast rather than the phone.

i do know providers keep text messages for anything between several days to three months, and after a quick google some do keep call logs i imagine investigators etc have already applied to the courts for access, if available anyway

[McD]

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Fantastic way to see the sound!

Beautiful area isnt it

Its strange because im not overly enamoured as a passenger on a big jet

When flying in a 2 seater at the controls the weather and turbulence bother me less

Saying that had a dodgy approach last week with low level clouds

Terrifies me the thought of flying into cloud


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im not the most comfortable of flyers at the best of times

its a a really interesting comment you’ve made about fears around flying into clouds, is that because of lack of visibility?

[Captain Trips]

As the plane seems to be intact to a certain degree it would appear they have flown into water and not just crashed at speed. At night in the sea highly likely to be spatial disorientation or something along those lines.

[Callum_62]

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im not the most comfortable of flyers at the best of times

its a a really interesting comment you’ve made about fears around flying into clouds, is that because of lack of visibility?

Yeah its the most common killer amongst pilots not trained for instrument flying

Apparently you body is telling you the opposite of whats actually happening leading to loss if control very quickly

I see on a doco ages ago they took maybe 10 non Instrument rated pilots into a sim and changed the weather to be in cloud - some of the pilots had 10,000+ hours flying - all lost control within 2 minutes


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[McD]

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Yeah its the most common killer amongst pilots not trained for instrument flying

Apparently you body is telling you the opposite of whats actually happening leading to loss if control very quickly

I see on a doco ages ago they took maybe 10 non Instrument rated pilots into a sim and changed the weather to be in cloud - some of the pilots had 10,000+ hours flying - all lost control within 2 minutes


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Thats really fascinating, cheers.

In my completely novice mind, I would have thought all pilots would be trained to accommodate for these types of conditions, so really eye opening

[Jim44]

I’m hearing that Nantes are pushing Cardiff for payment or part payment for Sala. Now, I’ve no knowledge of the situation re. contracts between the clubs, insurance of the player etc. but, given the human tragedy and the non-closure of the incident, you might take the view that Nantes are being unsympathetic in their urgency.

[Famous Fiver]

Apparently Bordeaux are due 50% and they are wanting their money now, reportedly putting pressure on Nantes.

Sad business all round.

[Lago]

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Apparently Bordeaux are due 50% and they are wanting their money now, reportedly putting pressure on Nantes.

Sad business all round.

Could get messy, lot of fingers in this pie, including Willie McKay & son.

[jacomo]

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I’m hearing that Nantes are pushing Cardiff for payment or part payment for Sala. Now, I’ve no knowledge of the situation re. contracts between the clubs, insurance of the player etc. but, given the human tragedy and the non-closure of the incident, you might take the view that Nantes are being unsympathetic in their urgency.

Sorry but the guy’s dead and a contract is a contract.

Nantes asking for their money is not going to stop him being found alive.

It is unsympathetic for Cardiff to make this public imo. The business should be done quietly. And Nantes - having received their money - should contribute towards the costs of bringing the bodies back to land, if that’s what the family wants.

[jacomo]

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Could get messy, lot of fingers in this pie, including Willie McKay & son.

It was McKay’s plane. Presumably he arranged the flight. If anything was not done properly he will have a case to answer. I understand the pilot was not a professional.

[Jim44]

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Sorry but the guy’s dead and a contract is a contract.

Nantes asking for their money is not going to stop him being found alive.

It is unsympathetic for Cardiff to make this public imo. The business should be done quietly. And Nantes - having received their money - should contribute towards the costs of bringing the bodies back to land, if that’s what the family wants.

I wasn’t aware that it was Cardiff making it public. I agree that the business should be done out of the public domain and your suggestion about Nantes’ contribution to the salvage of the plane and bodies would be an admirable gesture. I just find public discussion of ‘business’ under the circumstances is distasteful.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Body retrieved confirmed as the player


i feel sorry for the family of the pilot not even having a body to bury/cremate

[Callum_62]

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I wasn’t aware that it was Cardiff making it public. I agree that the business should be done out of the public domain and your suggestion about Nantes’ contribution to the salvage of the plane and bodies would be an admirable gesture. I just find public discussion of ‘business’ under the circumstances is distasteful.

Wonder what happend to the pilot

Possibly the cockpit separated from the fuselage?

I expected it to be the pilot actually - thought much more likely he would be buckled in than the passenger


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[HH81]

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Wonder what happend to the pilot

Possibly the cockpit separated from the fuselage?

I expected it to be the pilot actually - thought much more likely he would be buckled in than the passenger


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Me too. Fully expected it to be the pilot. I thought with the guy who found the plane saying it was mostly intact then it would have been Sala who would have tried to get out or being thrown out on impact.

[Scouse Hibee]

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It was McKay’s plane. Presumably he arranged the flight. If anything was not done properly he will have a case to answer. I understand the pilot was not a professional.

I thought McKay had already stated he did not own the plane.

[Callum_62]

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I thought McKay had already stated he did not own the plane.

I think theres a lot of smoke snd mirrors here

Whoever owns the plane/facilitated the deal could br in big trouble with the possibility of being liable very likely


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[JimBHibees]

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willie McKay, i seem to remember him seriously bad mouthing our club re: thomson and brown transfer sagas, i think it was him anyway

Yes it was.

[Scouse Hibee]

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I think theres a lot of smoke snd mirrors here

Whoever owns the plane/facilitated the deal could br in big trouble with the possibility of being liable very likely


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Maybe unless they attribute the crash to the pilot.

[The Spaceman]

Rest In Peace Sala and the Pilot. So sad.

[Hibeesmad]

Got to feel for his family and those who knew him. Just doing what he loved to be successful for him and his family. Hope he may rest in peace and his memory marches on.

[macca70]

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Maybe unless they attribute the crash to the pilot.

Single engine plane, with no de-icing equipment.

Should never have been flying at that time of night in those freezing conditions.

General consensus down in Guernsey is that it iced up, froze and just packed in mid air. No real opportunity for the pilot to react or do much about it, although pilot could have bailed out hence they have yet to find him.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Single engine plane, with no de-icing equipment.

Should never have been flying at that time of night in those freezing conditions.

General consensus down in Guernsey is that it iced up, froze and just packed in mid air. No real opportunity for the pilot to react or do much about it, although pilot could have bailed out hence they have yet to find him.

Any pilot would know that, madness to take it up if that is the case.

[Callum_62]

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Single engine plane, with no de-icing equipment.

Should never have been flying at that time of night in those freezing conditions.

General consensus down in Guernsey is that it iced up, froze and just packed in mid air. No real opportunity for the pilot to react or do much about it, although pilot could have bailed out hence they have yet to find him.

Is there confirmation if no de icing equip? Ive read conflicting stories. The malibu can cone equipped with de ice boots

Regardless - could explain his request to descend to lower warmer air - altho why he wasn’t above the icing layer ive no idea....unless he was conducting a visual flight


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