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15-01-2019 10:47 PM #121
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15-01-2019 11:11 PM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
God!
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16-01-2019 06:36 AM #124
How often did people actually get to see pele play? Was there a lot of Brazilian football on the tv back then?
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16-01-2019 06:54 AM #125This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Back in the sixties Brazil was like the other side of the moon and you only ever saw him playing for Brazil in international tournaments on Council Telly which only had three channels back then
He was however a celebrity a bit like the Harlem Globetrotters at the time and you got the odd snippet on News at Ten of a brilliant goal for Santos and you definitely sat up and took notice indeed I remember his 1000th goal was well covered by the news press
When he signed for New York Cosmos in an attempt to boost interest in “soccer” in the US coverage and interest in Pele went into overdrive and total meltdown
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16-01-2019 04:46 PM #126
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16-01-2019 05:04 PM #127
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Maradona is a god whereas Messi is just a great football player.
Quoting goal scoring stats is pointless given it’s a lot easier to score goals now for world class players.
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16-01-2019 05:04 PM #128This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Pray enlighten me?
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16-01-2019 05:07 PM #129This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And we’re also talking about guys in Messi and Ronaldo who have scored nearly double the goals Maradona did. It’s way too big of a gap to ever be described as pointless to use as a comparison.Last edited by calumhibee1; 16-01-2019 at 05:12 PM.
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16-01-2019 05:09 PM #130
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Something like that.
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16-01-2019 05:17 PM #131
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16-01-2019 05:20 PM #132
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These guys are playing in terrible conditions during the winter and as a poster has said there were players trying to end careers
Look at the pictures of Pele getting carried off in a world cup after numerous hacks. Those were tough tackles.
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16-01-2019 05:22 PM #133This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Having looked previously at league tables from the 50s in Scotland, one thing I noticed was how many goals each team scored. Teams were finishing at the bottom end of the league with goals for columns in the high 70s. That would suggest it was a lot easier to score goals then than it is now. I appreciate that’s not Maradonas era btw but the idea that this is some sort of easy period to score goals in doesn’t really add up or else more players would be scoring 50+ a season. It’s more a case of Messi and Ronaldo making it look easy because they’re so incredibly good.
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16-01-2019 05:23 PM #134This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This player trying to break him in half thing is such a myth. Sergio Ramos alone has tried to injure Messi multiple times. Not much has changed. Messi is just better in every way.
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16-01-2019 05:25 PM #135
Messi and Ronaldo have both had their share of ridiculous, potential career ending tackles. It's not as if nobody is allowed to touch them. Youtube tackle compilations v either.
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16-01-2019 05:26 PM #136This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-01-2019 05:27 PM #137This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-01-2019 05:29 PM #138This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
With the added physicality, strength and Athleticism the likes of Messi and Ronaldo have these days they’d make a mockery of the ‘hairy arsed defenders’ from those days and, imo, would have scored twice as many as they have in this era. To say it was harder to score then is laughable, especially when all the evidences points to there being far more goals scored back then than there is now.
Watching highlights of football in the 50’s - 70’s is laughable stuff. I respect your opinion but I feel it’s nothing more than a bit of rosy retrospection on your part.
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16-01-2019 05:37 PM #139This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Every day is a school day
Married three times umpteen affairs seven children one of whom he did not recognise though listed by Wikedpedia as undoubtedly being his sadly died in 2006
Must have had his reasons but agree not good as he is a millionaire several times over
Over the years I have heard that both Maradona and Messi also had different skeletons in their closets but that does not excuse Pele
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16-01-2019 05:39 PM #140This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think it depends how you are looking at the comparisons. If you’re comparing them to other players of their era and then deciding who was the furthest ahead of there peers then I’ve no idea who was best. If you’re comparing current players to older players based purely on physical and technical attributes then the older players don’t stand a chance IMO but then that’s the same in every sport.Last edited by calumhibee1; 16-01-2019 at 05:47 PM.
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16-01-2019 05:42 PM #141This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-01-2019 05:47 PM #142This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Football Italia on channel four was the game changer for foreign highlights in the early 90s.
Apparently in Italy and France you got regular foreign football shows back in the day when there was nothing like it in the UK.
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16-01-2019 05:53 PM #143
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You're the kind of guy who'll be dismissing Messi and Ronaldo in 40 years when two even better players come along.
Which there will be by the way
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16-01-2019 05:53 PM #144This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There is no comparison with the tackles of the 70s and 80s and the occasional sly stamp you get today. Quite often a top level full back would get away with a warning for a 21st century 'red card challenge' early doors (a 'reducer' in parlance of old), then another Vinny Jones knee high assault might get a yellow.
You'd have to do four or five dangerous challenges, or punch someone, to actually get a red. Watch a game sometime.
And serie a defenders? In the 80s? No myth. They battered you. And noone got it like Maradona.
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16-01-2019 05:54 PM #145This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Same applies in the Messi/Maradona, Ronaldo/Pelé debate imo. Given the same opportunities the likes of Maradona and Pelé might have reached the same levels and Messi and Ronaldo but unfortunately for them they didn’t.
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16-01-2019 05:55 PM #146
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16-01-2019 06:01 PM #147
Highlights of the 1958 World Cup Final.
Like drunk children 😂
28secs to 58secs is pure comedy.
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16-01-2019 06:03 PM #148
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16-01-2019 06:06 PM #149This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I remember reading a while ago that when he started out on his football career the family had moved from Edinburgh, where he was born, to Montrose and he would play for Kirriemuir Thistle on the Saturday morning then cycle the 24 miles to Montrose to play for Montrose Roselea in the afternoon! Have seen nothing to contradict this fact. That's football dedication.
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16-01-2019 06:06 PM #150This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think the fact that any sport that you can easily measure such as 100m sprint, swimming etc all have the current world record holders just now (or at least very recently) show that sportsmen now are better than ever. Footballs not as obvious because they’re so many different parts to be being a footballer but it would defy logic for footballers to be different from the rest.
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