Messi

**Killiehibbie** · 14-01-2019 06:13 AM

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Exactly. Greatest player I ever saw was our own Gordon Smith. Most of you never saw him play therefore I cannot be wrong ,but neither can any of you! By the way, Smith Smith scored 364 for Hibs, a club record and British record for a winger.

Maybe a few less than 364😉

***blackpoolhibs*** · 14-01-2019 06:25 AM

You can say its Ronaldo or Messi, or even Best or Maradonna, but for me the player i think is the best player to watch in my opinion over the course of their careers has been Lionel Messi.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 14-01-2019 06:55 AM

He’s not a better player than de Gea in goal.

**MWHIBBIES** · 14-01-2019 06:58 AM

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He’s not a better player than Degea in goal.

17 goals, 10 assists in 17 league games. I'm all for sticking up for guys in different positions but De Gea doesn't contribute that.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 14-01-2019 07:03 AM

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17 goals, 10 assists in 17 league games. I'm all for sticking up for guys in different positions but De Gea doesn't contribute that.

But he’s a better keeper than Messi. Folk tend to talk about the greatest ever players as always being attacking players.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 14-01-2019 07:06 AM

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But he’s a better keeper than Messi. Folk tend to talk about the greatest ever players as always being attacking players.

Scoring goals and creating chances is the hardest thing to do in football. The greatest ever chat probably is always unfairly weighted in favour of attackers but generally speaking they are usually the best players.

***BILLYHIBS*** · 14-01-2019 07:08 AM

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Exactly. Greatest player I ever saw was our own Gordon Smith. Most of you never saw him play therefore I cannot be wrong ,but neither can any of you! By the way, Smith Smith scored 364 for Hibs, a club record and British record for a winger.

303 source Fitbastats

Wikidpedia 157 ?

Ask supporters of a certain generation their best ever player and it is always Gordon Smith regardless of allegiance

***Keith_M*** · 14-01-2019 07:13 AM

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303 source Fitbastats

Wiiedpedia 157 ?

Ask supporters of a certain generation their best ever player and it is always Gordon Smith regardless of allegiance

The one that played for Brighton?

***BILLYHIBS*** · 14-01-2019 07:16 AM

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The one that played for Brighton?

Naw the Gay Gordon The Prince of Wingers!

The real Gordon Smith would have scored that sitter in the FA Cup Final

***Keith_M*** · 14-01-2019 07:20 AM

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Naw the Gay Gordon The Prince of Wingers!

The real Gordon Smith would have scored that sitter in the FA Cup Final

My Granddad would have scored that goal, and he was in his 70s at the time.

**Killiehibbie** · 14-01-2019 07:24 AM

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303 source Fitbastats

Wikidpedia 157 ?

Ask supporters of a certain generation their best ever player and it is always Gordon Smith regardless of allegiance

i think the 303 is competitive games. Maybe wiki is League goals. The 364 is all games friendlies, wartime, etc.

**we are hibs** · 14-01-2019 08:05 AM

Not only one of the greatest goalscorer ever but one of the best passers of a ball ever. Seen a clip on twitter last week of him reversing a through ball for Suarez that even scott allan wouldn't have seen coming.

I think he's the best ever and no one comes close.

**hibsbollah** · 14-01-2019 08:11 AM

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17 goals, 10 assists in 17 league games. I'm all for sticking up for guys in different positions but De Gea doesn't contribute that.

Duncan Alexander from opta was talking about expected save percentages from last season. De gea was streets ahead of everyone else, and opta estimated that when his 'beyond expected' saves were taken into account, he was worth 17 EXTRA points to Utd last season. An incredible stat, and shows he's of a similar value as the very elite outfield players.

**MWHIBBIES** · 14-01-2019 08:13 AM

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Duncan Alexander from opta was talking about expected save percentages from last season. De gea was streets ahead of everyone else, and opta estimated that when his 'beyond expected' saves were taken into account, he was worth 17 EXTRA points to Utd last season. An incredible stat, and shows he's of a similar value as the very elite outfield players.

He's brilliant but Messi is the best ever. Barcelona lost to Levante without him in midweek. He's worth more than 17 points.

**hibsbollah** · 14-01-2019 08:18 AM

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He's brilliant but Messi is the best ever. Barcelona lost to Levante without him in midweek. He's worth more than 17 points.

There's not much in it if you ask me. That's why the best ever arguments keep coming round. And because the demands of each era make it incomparable. But its still Maradona in my book.

***Itsnoteasy*** · 14-01-2019 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by esjorto

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Exactly. Greatest player I ever saw was our own Gordon Smith. Most of you never saw him play therefore I cannot be wrong ,but neither can any of you! By the way, Smith Smith scored 364 for Hibs, a club record and British record for a winger.

Smith Smith so good you named it twice😉

***Itsnoteasy*** · 14-01-2019 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by hibsbollah

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Duncan Alexander from opta was talking about expected save percentages from last season. De gea was streets ahead of everyone else, and opta estimated that when his 'beyond expected' saves were taken into account, he was worth 17 EXTRA points to Utd last season. An incredible stat, and shows he's of a similar value as the very elite outfield players.

Goram when at Hibs was worth at least a dozen points.

**Forza Fred** · 14-01-2019 08:26 AM

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Goram when at Hibs was worth at least a dozen points.

Which Goram?

**Killiehibbie** · 14-01-2019 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Forza Fred

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Which Goram?

The half decent version

***BILLYHIBS*** · 14-01-2019 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Killiehibbie

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i think the 303 is competitive games. Maybe wiki is League goals. The 364 is all games friendlies, wartime, etc.

Scottish League played 308 goals 126
Scottish Cup. Played 36. goals. 12
League Cup. Played. 77 goals. 34
Other games. Played 215goals. 131

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Played 310 goals 125 ?

**~~Bangkok Hibby~~** · 14-01-2019 09:40 AM

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Had the pleasure of watching Messi score his 400th league goal tonight. Astounding stuff. The best we will ever see.

Apart from George Best

**MWHIBBIES** · 14-01-2019 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by hibsbollah

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There's not much in it if you ask me. That's why the best ever arguments keep coming round. And because the demands of each era make it incomparable. But its still Maradona in my book.

Why Maradona? No real argument for him other than a world cup win which really boils down to Higuain missing a chance in 2014

**esjorto** · 14-01-2019 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by gorgiegreens

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Smith Smith so good you named it twice😉

Sorry. My mistake. I meant Smith,Smith,Smith,Smith,Smith, don't have time to do this 364 times.

**hibsbollah** · 14-01-2019 06:43 PM

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Why Maradona? No real argument for him other than a world cup win which really boils down to Higuain missing a chance in 2014

It really doesn't.

**~~majorhibs~~** · 15-01-2019 04:27 PM

Messi, of course currently, Pele & Maradona honourable mentions, the only Ronaldo near Messi was the 21 year old Brazilian World Cup winner before he imploded, not the joker.

**~~Here’s Lucy!~~** · 15-01-2019 04:45 PM

George Best.

**~~cleanyman~~** · 15-01-2019 04:57 PM

I don't think Messi is the best ever. There's an argument he's not even the best of his generation but that's a matter of opinion.

I watch some of the 70's and 80's football on BT and there's not a single Scottish player today with the skills that these guys had. A bygone era of course. Anyway its difficult to say.

**~~Here’s Lucy!~~** · 15-01-2019 04:59 PM

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George Best.

Originally Posted by cleanyman

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I don't think Messi is the best ever. There's an argument he's not even the best of his generation but that's a matter of opinion.

I watch some of the 70's and 80's football on BT and there's not a single Scottish player today with the skills that these guys had. A bygone era of course. Anyway its difficult to say.

100% agree with you.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 15-01-2019 05:01 PM

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I don't think Messi is the best ever. There's an argument he's not even the best of his generation but that's a matter of opinion.

I watch some of the 70's and 80's football on BT and there's not a single Scottish player today with the skills that these guys had. A bygone era of course. Anyway its difficult to say.

Not so much related to Scottish football on its own but when I watch football from the 70s I always think the standard looks miles behind what it is now.

**~~cleanyman~~** · 15-01-2019 05:03 PM

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Not so much related to Scottish football on its own but when I watch football from the 70s I always think the standard looks miles behind what it is now.

I used to think that.

But then I realised I'm part of the Sky Sports generation. These guys are playing with footballs that weigh about two stone and in mudbaths yet look at the quality of the play.

Its quite incredible.

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