Totally agree with this. Some of the highlights I’ve seen from the 50’s, both Hibs and otherwise, are so bad they are laughable. Have you ever seen the footage from the 58 World Cup? It looks like a bunch of jokers running around the Gyle Park hungover on a Sunday morning.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-01-2019 05:14 PM #61
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15-01-2019 06:15 PM #65
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There's no doubt that footballers are fitter and more athletic than they've ever been but ARE they better footballers? I'd probably disagree with that. Look at George Best and Jimmy Johnstone and what they could do with a football.
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15-01-2019 06:17 PM #66This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There is no 'metric' when assessing the best player ever. You seem to have a problem differentiating an opinion and a fact. An opinion is like an ersehole, everyone has one.
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15-01-2019 06:18 PM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’ll admit I’m too young to remember much pre-2000 though so I’m probably as guilty of seeing things of my generation through rose tinted glasses as much as people of an older generation would be for their generations footballers. I would say though that I’ve never watched an old clip of a football game and thought wow, that’s superb other than Maradonas goal against England.
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15-01-2019 06:22 PM #68
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But since then I've watched hundreds of videos of our best ever players and realised that I don't think the current generation are indeed better footballers. Zidane's volley by the way was nearly 17 years ago....will we be dismissing Zidane in another 10 years time?
Look at Davie Cooper's goal on youtube...think it was a Scottish Cup semi. What a hit.
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I am probably slightly biased to my generation of footballers. Is the Davie Cooper goal against St Mirren/Dunfermline? Was a good hit but goals like that appear in the top leagues every few weeks nowadays.
I do agree with MWC though.. the footage of the 1958 WC makes the standard look really really bad
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15-01-2019 06:38 PM #70
Pele
Messi is very good but to me Pele is the man
Perfect poise finishing balance and the master of every part of the art be it trapping dribbling passing heading athleticism scorer of over 1000 goals in his career scoring three in the 1958 World Cup Semi Final and two in the final as a a seventeen year old
A Brazilian legend and worldwide icon
When I think of Pele I think of him in the same terms as my other hero Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali)
Both these guys had the X Factor and they both oozed total class both the masters of their sport
Pele : birth of a legend is a good movie
My favourite match involving Pele was the 1970 World Cup Final Brazil 4 v 1 Italy the all time perfect team performance
I rate Messi along side Christiano Ronaldo but Messi just shades it but then we also have Maradona and Johan Cryuff who were both brilliant as well as our own Gordon Smith and the unforgettable George Best
All of the above from different decades and heroes of different generations
In the current generation I see a lot of Peles qualities in Kylian MBappe of PSG but to me the untouchable Pele is my all time great
Played 1363 scored 1281
Source: FIFALast edited by BILLYHIBS; 15-01-2019 at 07:12 PM.
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15-01-2019 06:41 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Only kidding
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15-01-2019 06:45 PM #72This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Was having a wee chuckle at your comments on the 1958 World Cup
I suggest you look at footage of the Final again a few goals that any public park footballer would be proud of regardless of the era
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They’ve also both scored not a kick in the arse off triple the amount of goals and counting.
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15-01-2019 07:02 PM #77
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I'm not doubting that Messi is a better footballer than Best. But in no way is someone like Neymar anywhere near him
There seems to be this argument that football before 1992 was irrelevant and the standard was no where near as good as today's
Well...just watch it. I'd like to see these supposedly 'better' footballers play with a two tonne ball and in mudbaths
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15-01-2019 07:23 PM #86
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It's more athletic but the footballers aren't better
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15-01-2019 07:32 PM #87
In my day footballers were all different shapes and sizes each with their own attributes nowadays they are all SPARTANS apart from the irrepressible Messi of course!
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15-01-2019 07:34 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I just reject the notion you can make it all about numbers.
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15-01-2019 07:36 PM #89This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Players nowadays couldnae lace ma boots
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