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    Quote Originally Posted by WhileTheChief.. View Post
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    So are we discussing Trump the man or his policies?

    Iíve no time for him personally and think he comes across terribly most of the time.

    I agree with a lot of his policies though.
    To be honest if I'd seen your post on the other thread first I wouldn't have bothered trying to discuss anything with you at all. Saying that Black Lives matter is a product of the 'evil hard left' and is somehow hugely dangerous is a level of fruit loopery it's impossible to engage with.

    Sorry for taking up your time.


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    Fair dos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonhibs View Post
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    I was thinking this as well. I cannot comprehend how the governmental structure of a country like the USA was set up in such a way that allows for this scenario to arise - it's absolutely mental.

    I'm no expert - could this happen in the UK? The Chancellor presents his little red briedfcase, that's the budget and - even if it's ***** - the country and government departments etc work with that right? Or could the opposition side of the house vote that budget down - not possible right?
    The structure of government in the USA came about on purpose. It was very much a child of its times - heavily influenced by the French Revolution and the political thinking of its day.

    At the heart of it was the separation between the executive, legislative and judicial branches, with the intent that they would balance each other out, but critically, the executive would not have overreaching power.

    It has evolved over the last two hundred plus years but essentially, if the executive is one party and the legislature is another then the only way to enact policy is through negotiation.

    What complicates it is that the legislature comprises the Senate and the House of Representatives. They have different powers, different make-ups and different roles.

    I guess the whole point at the time was a desire to create a structure that was resistant to absolute power. To an extent it created that, though the executive branch over time found ways to circumvent the legislative branch (Congress) through executive orders and the like. There have been periods in American history where the Senate has been decisively in charge but probably since Theodore Roosevelt, those days have faded.

    At its best Congress can still exercise genuine power and policymaking, against whoever is president, but in the 20th century and this century, power has shifted towards the White House.

    In answer to your question, the Chancellor presents a budget and it is voted upon. Given they are usually representing the majority party in the House then it's pretty much a done deal. If a budget were to be voted down then I think convention would demand an immediate general election or some sort of reconfiguration in the governing party and a new budget being presented.
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    Bet he is still getting his salary while other workers are going without during this shutdown

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    Thing is presidents donít create jobs and itís a sign of the times that such things are now considered a fact.

    Also even if certain policies can be directly linked to job creation they often take time to come to the fore so a president claiming credit for job growth in the formative years of a presidency is almost certainly taking credit for the ground work laid by the predecessor.

    Trump was also bust taking credit for the stock market returns before they turned negative when he quickly about faced and blamed the downturn on the Fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staunchhibby View Post
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    Bet he is still getting his salary while other workers are going without during this shutdown
    He donates it doesnít he? Or was that just something he said heíd do?

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    He donates it doesnít he? Or was that just something he said heíd do?
    He's a generous guy. Catering at the White Hoose is affected so out of his own pocket he treated guests to burgers, pizza and French fries, which he described as "all American food". ****wit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Thing is presidents donít create jobs and itís a sign of the times that such things are now considered a fact.

    Also even if certain policies can be directly linked to job creation they often take time to come to the fore so a president claiming credit for job growth in the formative years of a presidency is almost certainly taking credit for the ground work laid by the predecessor.

    Trump was also bust taking credit for the stock market returns before they turned negative when he quickly about faced and blamed the downturn on the Fed.
    That's my take on it.
    I was interested in seeing what the facts were - you can almost guarantee its the opposite of what Trump claims.

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    The man is such a **** that it wouldn't surprise me if he was using the shutdown to deflect attention away from "this Russier thing", as he calls it.

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    Not a chance Hillary would have purchased everyone a big mac and fries out her own pocket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Not a chance Hillary would have purchased everyone a big mac and fries out her own pocket!
    Im doubtful anyone paid for them in money

    Publicity maybe


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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Not a chance Hillary would have purchased everyone a big mac and fries out her own pocket!
    That's a strange dig at Hilary Clinton. You should get it put on a T-shirt

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    That's a strange dig at Hilary Clinton. You should get it put on a T-shirt
    That catchphrase is going on the back of my Yellow Vest!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    That catchphrase is going on the back of my Yellow Vest!!
    I'm sure we could run a wee competition what to put on your yellow vest. In terms of the suggestions I'm sure you wouldn't wear it: Literally or figuratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester B View Post
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    I'm sure we could run a wee competition what to put on your yellow vest. In terms of the suggestions I'm sure you wouldn't wear it: Literally or figuratively.
    I am sure their yellow vest would look great together with their tinfoil hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Not a chance Hillary would have purchased everyone a big mac and fries out her own pocket!
    Correct as there wouldnít have been a shutdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester B View Post
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    I'm sure we could run a wee competition what to put on your yellow vest. In terms of the suggestions I'm sure you wouldn't wear it: Literally or figuratively.
    I want the following on mine.......

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    I don’t get why you need evidence and substance
    Modern populism in a nutshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    I want the following on mine.......



    Modern populism in a nutshell.
    That's not perfect but...who am I kidding..it is perfect

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    Lefties appear upside down on my tin foil hat!

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