Stubbs v Lennon signings

[thebausburst]

If it’s essentially the same team of staff identifying signings why is Stubbs signing record so much better than Lennon’s?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Stubbs - 30 signings

Tomas Cerny
David Gray
Marty Kennedy
Franck Dja Djedje
Fraser Fyvie
Scott Allan
Liam Fontaine
Mark Oxley
Farid El Alagui
Jake Sinclair
Martin Boyle
Dylan Mcgeouch
Keith Watson
Dom Malonga
John Mcginn
Darren Mcgregor
Antonio Requero
Chris Dagnall
Dan Carmichael
Marvin Bartley
Kevin Thomson
James Keatings
Jamie Insall
Anthony Stokes
Henri Anier
Liam Henderson
Islam Feruz
Niklas Gunnarsson
Conrad Logan
Adam Eckersley

Lennon - 31 signings

Grant Holt
Brian Graham
Scott Gallagher
Chris Humphrey
Ross Laidlaw
Ofir Marciano
Andrew Shinnie
Kris Commons
Efe Ambrose
Neal Eardley
Brian McLean
Vykintas Slivka
Anthony Stokes
Davydas Matulevicious
Cammy Bell
Steven Whittaker
Danny Swanson
Simon Murray
Faycal Rherras
Scott Allan
Jamie McLaren
Brandon Barker
Flo Kamberi
Stevie Mallan
Mark Milligan
Emerson Hyndman
Adam Bogdan
Thomas Agyepong
Daryl Horgan
Harry Mavrias
Miquel Nelom



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[H18 SFR]

You'd get a better XI out of Lenny's.

[660]

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You'd get a better XI out of Lenny's.

Wrong

[thebausburst]

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You'd get a better XI out of Lenny's.

Are you serious?

[GreenArmyyy!]

The difference in quality is quite frightening considering Lennon has had a bigger budget.

[thebausburst]

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Are you serious?

Just using Stubbs signings, not guys already at club like Stevenson and Hanlon, you could have this 11

Logan

Gray McGregor Fontaine Gunnarsson

Allan McGinn McGeough Henderson

Stokes Malonga

[JimmyL]

Better Manager?

[thebausburst]

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Better Manager?

What than the guy that won the SC and took us to 2 major finals in same year, should have won a double

[The 90+2]

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Better Manager?

Managing players? Stubbs all day long.

[Centre Hawf]

All IMO.

Stubbs XI -

Conrad Logan

David Gray
Darren McGregor
Liam Fontaine
Nicklas Gunnarsson

John McGinn
Dylan McGeouch
Fraser Fyvie
Scott Allan

Stokes
Martin Boyle

And that's leaving out lads like Malonga, Keatings, and Henderson.

Lennon XI

Adam Bogdan

Whittaker
Efe
Brian McClean
Nelom

Slivka
Allan
Milligan
Barker

Flo
Maclaren

You could have Stokes in but I felt his spell under Lennon wasn't up to scratch compared to the form Flo and Jamie hit when they were first initially signed, the midfield is a bit of a lottery because I don't think theres enough function in the combination of players like there is under Stubbs.


Overall I think Stubbs' team wins it for me, the defence looks better despite the ropier choice of goalkeepers compared to Lennons. I think the Stubbs' midfield is obviously it's strong point. Up front if you had the Flo and Jamie from January to May it wins hands down, but since then I don't think they've shown consistency. Stubbs relied quite heavily on Cummings, much like Neil did in his first season.

[The Modfather]

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Better Manager?

In my opinion Stubbs has the better eye for a player and putting a team together. I’ve got question marks over Lennons recruitment and what he is trying to do, however Lennon got more out of the team Stubbs put together.

Let’s get Stubbs to sign the players in January and Lennon to manage them 😀

[calumhibee1]

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Stubbs - 30 signings

Tomas Cerny
David Gray
Marty Kennedy
Franck Dja Djedje
Fraser Fyvie
Scott Allan
Liam Fontaine
Mark Oxley
Farid El Alagui
Jake Sinclair
Martin Boyle
Dylan Mcgeouch
Keith Watson
Dom Malonga
John Mcginn
Darren Mcgregor
Antonio Requero
Chris Dagnall
Dan Carmichael
Marvin Bartley
Kevin Thomson
James Keatings
Jamie Insall
Anthony Stokes
Henri Anier
Liam Henderson
Islam Feruz
Niklas Gunnarsson
Conrad Logan
Adam Eckersley

Lennon - 31 signings

Grant Holt
Brian Graham
Scott Gallagher
Chris Humphrey
Ross Laidlaw
Ofir Marciano
Andrew Shinnie
Kris Commons
Efe Ambrose
Neal Eardley
Brian McLean
Vykintas Slivka
Anthony Stokes
Davydas Matulevicious
Cammy Bell
Steven Whittaker
Danny Swanson
Simon Murray
Faycal Rherras
Scott Allan
Jamie McLaren
Brandon Barker
Flo Kamberi
Stevie Mallan
Mark Milligan
Emerson Hyndman
Adam Bogdan
Thomas Agyepong
Daryl Horgan
Harry Mavrias
Miquel Nelom



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Logan

Gray
Daz
Fonts
Gunnarsson

Boyle
Allan
McGinn
McGeough
Hendo

Stokes

V

Rocky

Whittaker
Ambrose
Milligan
Nelom

Barker
Slivka
Allan
Horgan

Flo
Maclaren

The two best teams from each IMO. Team 1 is considerably better.

[Ryan69]

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Just using Stubbs signings, not guys already at club like Stevenson and Hanlon, you could have this 11

Logan

Gray McGregor Fontaine Gunnarsson

Allan McGinn McGeough Henderson

Stokes Malonga

As much as Logan had an outstanding 1 game....He was far from great.
If he had not been so fat....It would probably of been 3-0 that day.

He was so unprofessional,the job he was paid handsomely for....He couldnt even be in shape for!

[Diclonius]

Stubbs:
Tomas Cerny 5
David Gray 9
Marty Kennedy 6
Franck Dja Djedje 6
Fraser Fyvie 9
Scott Allan 10
Liam Fontaine 9
Mark Oxley 7
Farid El Alagui 6
Jake Sinclair 4
Martin Boyle 9
Dylan Mcgeouch 10
Keith Watson 5
Dom Malonga 8
John Mcginn 10
Darren Mcgregor 10
Antonio Requero 4
Chris Dagnall 5
Dan Carmichael 5
Marvin Bartley 9
Kevin Thomson 7
James Keatings 9
Jamie Insall 5
Anthony Stokes 9
Henri Anier 6
Liam Henderson 9
Islam Feruz 4
Niklas Gunnarsson 7
Conrad Logan 9
Adam Eckersley 5

Lennon:
Grant Holt 8
Brian Graham 6
Scott Gallagher 5
Chris Humphrey 5
Ross Laidlaw 7
Ofir Marciano 9
Andrew Shinnie 7
Kris Commons 8
Efe Ambrose 10
Neal Eardley 4
Brian McLean 6
Vykintas Slivka 7
Anthony Stokes 7
Davydas Matulevicious 5
Cammy Bell 5
Steven Whittaker 7
Danny Swanson 6
Simon Murray 7
Faycal Rherras 5
Scott Allan 10
Jamie McLaren 8
Brandon Barker 8
Flo Kamberi 9
Stevie Mallan 7
Mark Milligan 7
Emerson Hyndman 6
Adam Bogdan 8
Thomas Agyepong 6
Daryl Horgan 7
Harry Mavrias 5
Miquel Nelom 5

Stubbs average: 7.17
Lennon average: 6.74

[JimmyL]

Based on the OP question my opinion is Stubbs all the way and unfortunately most of these guys have moved on.

[Connollys11]

If we hadn't won the Scottish cup Stubbs would be another fenlon who never even got us out the championship.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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As much as Logan had an outstanding 1 game....He was far from great.
If he had not been so fat....It would probably of been 3-0 that day.

He was so unprofessional,the job he was paid handsomely for....He couldnt even be in shape for!

That’s ridiculously unfair. He’d been out injured for over a year and hadn’t planned to return as early as he did with Hibs. Was planning on getting ready for the following season.


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[Elephant Stone]

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As much as Logan had an outstanding 1 game....He was far from great.
If he had not been so fat....It would probably of been 3-0 that day.

He was so unprofessional,the job he was paid handsomely for....He couldnt even be in shape for!

[bigwheel]

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As much as Logan had an outstanding 1 game....He was far from great.
If he had not been so fat....It would probably of been 3-0 that day.

He was so unprofessional,the job he was paid handsomely for....He couldnt even be in shape for!

it’s good to know we have a future great Hibee Historian just waiting in the wings.....

[SideBurns]

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As much as Logan had an outstanding 1 game....He was far from great.
If he had not been so fat....It would probably of been 3-0 that day.

He was so unprofessional,the job he was paid handsomely for....He couldnt even be in shape for!

Correct, Conrad was a disgrace - big fatty, who only saved penalties in the shoot-out because he was too tired and full of half-time pies to stand up. His teammates bailed him out in the final by scoring one more goal than the Huns. Medal thief!

[Hi Heid Yin]

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What than the guy that won the SC and took us to 2 major finals in same year, should have won a double

Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

[Billy Whizz]

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Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

Sorry saved our club at the time

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

The Ross county bit is very harsh. They were a league above us. We played well in the final too.


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[The_Horde]

A bit of a hard one to judge.

Stubbs had to build a good side almost from scratch. So a higher number of first team regulars required from the off.

Lennon, up until the last window, mostly had to add bits and bobs of quality in specific areas and backup/stopgap players to the squad (like Mavrias, Commons, Humphrey and Nelom)

Not sure if Lennon would've built the same quality of squad from scratch as Stubbs did but you can't, IMO, compare the 30/31 like for like.

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Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

The cup final defeat was neither a capitulation nor embarrassing; Hibs played very well against a team in the league above us, and one defensive mistake cost us the game. Our league form is a different argument, and we had a shocking run in early 2016 with some genuinely terrible defeats, but even then we would've been in the play off final were it not for disgraceful refereeing against Falkirk.

[Northernhibee]

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Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

The schedule for the second half of his season was a total joke. No McGinn or McGeouch hurt us against Ross County as had the constant midweek fixtures. Despite all this he only got 1pt less than our championship winning season in a much harder league.

For the comment without the SC he’d be another Fenlon that’s ludicrous. He didn’t have a full first team squad when he took over, signed good young players with potential, got us playing good football and gave us some great results. 2-0 against Aberdeen and Hearts at ER, 4-0 against Rangers at ER, 3-1 against Rangers at Ibrox.

Attacking Stubbs seems to be the weirdest thing as he gave us our pride back.

[The 90+2]

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If we hadn't won the Scottish cup Stubbs would be another fenlon who never even got us out the championship.

But he did.

Fenlon had a squad full of loan signings and one year contracts.

If we had lost in the final check the nick of the squad Stubbs left Lennon with.

[Hi Heid Yin]

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The Ross county bit is very harsh. They were a league above us. We played well in the final too.


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Sorry, but Ross County will never be a team that I will ever consider Hibs being 2nd best to, irrespective of the division we might play in.

Player for player we had a far superior team to them in that League Cup final and we blew it!

[The 90+2]

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Loved Stubbsy, and that day in May will never be forgotten, but the league cup final capitulation to Ross County was an embarrassment,

as was finishing 3rd in the league behind Falkirk. To then fail again in the play offs was unacceptable. The Scottish Cup win saved our season from being an absolute disaster.

You clearly didn’t love Stubbsy and love Neil Lennon.

Losing to hearts in the Scottish was a much worse embarrassment than losing a cup final. Hearts where utter pap last season and somehow won twice against us and our shambolic set up. Losing Ross County having been the better side wasn’t an embarrassment. Lennon losing to Ross County in the Scottish Cup Semi final is as embarrassing as anything though and Morton in the league cup?