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[tonyrougier123]

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Bain I thought was trying to do a very difficult job that, at points, seemed like only he knew how bad it was. The transfer bit was an example, they were looking at players they had no chance of getting and/or completely out of the budget after the relegation.

Rodwell came across as a Dick but not his fault he had that contract and the club couldn't pay him off.

The rodwell situation was cringey,u could tell he was going nowhere.and probably although injured,clearly didny fancy it,a bit piss take perhaps??anyway he eas a signing made while the cash was rolling in premiership style I think,and provides evidence of how messed up the game has become,literally being paid 70k a week to keep the physio company.clubs have no power in these situations,im no saying every plaer injured needs sacking but canny deny its no right.

[Bishop Hibee]

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At 70k per week, I highly doubt it, again would you go from earning that to zero per week?

He wouldn’t have gone to zero though would he? I can’t get upset about a player going from £70K a week to, say, £40K a week. Meanwhile hard pressed punters earning a fraction of what he earned in a week in a year plough money into the club. Morally reprehensible. In my opinion of course.

[Allant1981]

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He wouldn’t have gone to zero though would he? I can’t get upset about a player going from £70K a week to, say, £40K a week. Meanwyhard oressed punters earning a fraction of what he earned in a week in a year plough money into the club. Morally reprehensible. In my opinion of course.

If no club signed him then he would have been on zero, even taking a 40 grand per week pay cut is massive, these guys will have mortgages based on these wages, cars based on these wages,everyone's lifestyle is based on what they earn/can afford, could you afford to take an almost 50% pay cut?

[tonyrougier123]

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He wouldn’t have gone to zero though would he? I can’t get upset about a player going from £70K a week to, say, £40K a week. Meanwhile hard pressed punters earning a fraction of what he earned in a week in a year plough money into the club. Morally reprehensible. In my opinion of course.

Totally agree,he was wasny even playing either!!.it felt wrong watching it!as u say if the guy took a pay cut while the club was struggling,they could have got what they needed transfer wise to stay in the leauge.

[Jones28]

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I don’t enjoy seeing Celtic win but I did have a wry smile that they thought they could beat the champions of Scotland by 3 or 4 to boost their confidence.. only to get their ***** handed to them 5 or 6-0 at home.

I'm in the same boat mate, loved watching them get absolutely skelped - even if it was Celtic doing the skelping.

[Jones28]

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Really hope there’s a second series as I’d love to see how Jack Ross comes across.

In saying that though, if I was Jack Ross I’d insist on the cameras ****ing right off. It’s a hard enough job as it is without cameras following you and the players around.

Yepp, totally agree. Imagine having a ***** time at work and then having to explain to cameras why you're having a ***** time.

With regards to Coleman, who I actually thought came across well considering the circumstances, you saw the cracks when he had the confrontation with the supporter. Although I think I'd have done the same if it was me.

[BoomtownHibees]

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Shambles of a club. Seem to be making hard work of the English League One now too. Makes you wonder why McGeough went there. No real sympathy for them. The only two times I've encountered their support at Easter Road they were grade A roasters.

5 points off top with a game in hand is hardly making hard work of the league

[Bishop Hibee]

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If no club signed him then he would have been on zero, even taking a 40 grand per week pay cut is massive, these guys will have mortgages based on these wages, cars based on these wages,everyone's lifestyle is based on what they earn/can afford, could you afford to take an almost 50% pay cut?

If I earned in a year what he earned in a week I could. Do you think what he did was right? If you do then we just have to agree to disagree. I believe there is more to life than money and have lived accordingly.

[bingo70]

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If I earned in a year what he earned in a week I could. Do you think what he did was right? If you do then we just have to agree to disagree. I believe there is more to life than money and have lived accordingly.

But you don’t know what his financial responsibilities are so you can’t say what he should or shouldn’t have done.

There’s a ridiculous percentage of footballers that go bankrupt after they retire from the game as the lifestyle they lead during their playing careers is so expensive to maintain.

[SirDavidsNapper]

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5 points off top with a game in hand is hardly making hard work of the league

The form guide has them 12th over the last 6 games. They're certainly making hard work of it.

[Allant1981]

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If I earned in a year what he earned in a week I could. Do you think what he did was right? If you do then we just have to agree to disagree. I believe there is more to life than money and have lived accordingly.

But you don't so can't ever say what you would do, and yes I think he was right

[Frogga]

I don't have a problem with what Rodwell did. If a company offers you a certain amount of money then that's their fault, not your's. I thought Bain was out of order for criticising Rodwell the way he did - would he have left if he was in Rodwell's position? No chance.

If they felt he wasn't trying to make himself available to play then they should've sacked him.

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[Smartie]

I don't have a problem with Rodwell refusing to budge on his contract.

I have a big problem with what he was prepared to do for his £70k per week. The guy has zero integrity and is a work shy waster.

He's lucky to have managed to get any job in football after Sunderland and if English football wasn't in such a bloated state, awash with money and desperate clubs then he would surely have found his reputation toxic and one that no credible club would be prepared to touch.

I'd hoped he'd land up at Sevco tbh. They're a perfect match.

[superfurryhibby]

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If I earned in a year what he earned in a week I could. Do you think what he did was right? If you do then we just have to agree to disagree. I believe there is more to life than money and have lived accordingly.

It wasn’t right, but some people have no morals, they are 100% mercenary in their approach. Rodwell is a prime example of why I sometimes hate what football has become.

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But you don’t know what his financial responsibilities are so you can’t say what he should or shouldn’t have done.

There’s a ridiculous percentage of footballers that go bankrupt after they retire from the game as the lifestyle they lead during their playing careers is so expensive to maintain.

He can say, because it’s a discussion and I would add a huge boo hoo to dafties that squander that kind of dosh because of their lifestyle. I know most are uneducated and insulated from the reality of the outside world from an early age, but an ounce of common sense would help you navigate the pitfalls.

[Baader]

Rodwell drained them of £12M during his time there. A club that by the end was on its knees. I'm surprised he could live around the area and that any club would touch him after that. Ultimately its the clubs fault though. Not inserting a relegation clause in a Premier League contract is just gross mismanagement.

[Allant1981]

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It wasn’t right, but some people have no morals, they are 100% mercenary in their approach. Rodwell is a prime example of why I sometimes hate what football has become.




He can say, because it’s a discussion and I would add a huge boo hoo to dafties that squander that kind of dosh because of their lifestyle. I know most are uneducated and insulated from the reality of the outside world from an early age, but an ounce of common sense would help you navigate the pitfalls.

What utter rubbish, there are numerous multi millionaires that have lost everything due to bad business moved or whatever, to suggest they lose it due to being uneducated is just Ill informed nonsense

A company I know of has just went bust because they lost a few big contracts, company owner lost a lot of money because of it, he is most definitely not a "daftie"

[SirDavidsNapper]

Easy for me to say as i don't have all the temptations 70k a week would bring but why would EPL footballers just not choose to live a moderately normal lifestyle? If my work offered me 70k a week I'd happily continues to live where i am, pay my mortgage off after a couple of weeks and maybe build a wee extension and garage for my motor. Set for life after a year. I really don't understand the lavish lifestyle these lads want to live. Crazy how some become bankrupt but like i said, easy for me to say.

[BILLYHIBS]

Has certainly divided opinion on this thread

I would thoroughly recommend this Netflix documentary to anyone who has not made the time to watch it

An excellent watch

[superfurryhibby]

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What utter rubbish, there are numerous multi millionaires that have lost everything due to bad business moved or whatever, to suggest they lose it due to being uneducated is just Ill informed nonsense

A company I know of has just went bust because they lost a few big contracts, company owner lost a lot of money because of it, he is most definitely not a "daftie"

Reign in your outrage tonto, I’m referring to footballers who squander their cash through ill advised lifestyle choices. This is a football forum, not a critique of soneone you knows business decisions

[Allant1981]

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Reign in your outrage tonto, I’m referring to footballers who squander their cash through ill advised lifestyle choices. This is a football forum, not a critique of soneone you knows business decisions

Thanks I didnt know that, and many footballers also have business interests outside football so again not all are "dafties" who squander their money

[superfurryhibby]

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Thanks I didnt know that, and many footballers also have business interests outside football so again not all are "dafties" who squander their money

The clue is reading what you quote before posting?

Not really sure what your point is, but I agree, not all footballers are daft or squander their money, not sure anyone has said anything to the contrary about that though?

[Allant1981]

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The clue is reading what you quote before posting?

Not really sure what your point is, but I agree, not all footballers are daft or squander their money, not sure anyone has said anything to the contrary about that though?

I obviously picked you up wrong then when you implied you would have no sympathy for people losing money due to their lifestyle and that they were mostly uneducated

[Pretty Boy]

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Easy for me to say as i don't have all the temptations 70k a week would bring but why would EPL footballers just not choose to live a moderately normal lifestyle? If my work offered me 70k a week I'd happily continues to live where i am, pay my mortgage off after a couple of weeks and maybe build a wee extension and garage for my motor. Set for life after a year. I really don't understand the lavish lifestyle these lads want to live. Crazy how some become bankrupt but like i said, easy for me to say.

I remember when David James was decalred bankrupt he admitted he never wore a pair of trainers more than once. He literally had a new pair for every day; it's not unrealistic to think he was spending over £1000 a week on trainers.

Whilst £1000 is a drop in the ocean with the money he was likely earning it does leave you questioning what other spending habits he had and how widespread that wasteful attitude is.

[H18 SFR]

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I remember when David James was decalred bankrupt he admitted he never wore a pair of trainers more than once. He literally had a new pair for every day; it's not unrealistic to think he was spending over £1000 a week on trainers.

Whilst £1000 is a drop in the ocean with the money he was likely earning it does leave you questioning what other spending habits he had and how widespread that wasteful attitude is.

Christ, I try for a pair a year lol

[SirDavidsNapper]

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I remember when David James was decalred bankrupt he admitted he never wore a pair of trainers more than once. He literally had a new pair for every day; it's not unrealistic to think he was spending over £1000 a week on trainers.

Whilst £1000 is a drop in the ocean with the money he was likely earning it does leave you questioning what other spending habits he had and how widespread that wasteful attitude is.

Exactly. The ammount of money some of them must squander on things like that. It's a short career that could end at any time through injury. You'd think they'd be better advised by their their clubs. Maybe they are and choose to ignore it who knows.

[Diclonius]

Apparently they're still filming and there will be a second season.

[number9dream]

It really is a fantastic programme. Sunderland must have signed up thinking it was going to document their triumphant return but what we get is the perfect storm of footballing misery. Even though you know what’s going to happen, it’s compelling viewing. A fascinating look behind the scenes that also captures the complete lunacy of being a fan. One of my favourite scenes was the guy at home listening on the radio and his range of emotions...

[SirDavidsNapper]

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Apparently they're still filming and there will be a second season.

Yup

[tonyrougier123]

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I don't have a problem with what Rodwell did. If a company offers you a certain amount of money then that's their fault, not your's. I thought Bain was out of order for criticising Rodwell the way he did - would he have left if he was in Rodwell's position? No chance.

If they felt he wasn't trying to make himself available to play then they should've sacked him.

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I could never be alright with what rodwell was doing,highlighted all that iis wrong in modern football!!players and agents hold all the aces nowadays, and unfortunately its detrimental to the game.

[Callum_62]

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I don't have a problem with what Rodwell did. If a company offers you a certain amount of money then that's their fault, not your's. I thought Bain was out of order for criticising Rodwell the way he did - would he have left if he was in Rodwell's position? No chance.

If they felt he wasn't trying to make himself available to play then they should've sacked him.

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Wonder if Bain offered to take a massive pay cut?




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