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    Likewise. Rodwell would be lucky to get a contract on 10% of that if he left Sunderland yet Martin Bain wanted him to walk away from at least 18 months (as he’s still at Sunderland now and the conversation on the show was almost a year ago) or £4.5m+ to become unemployed. I’d be doing the exact same as Rodwell.
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    SPOILER ALERT!

    Contract cancelled June 2018 now plays for Blackburn Rovers
    So he does. I looked him up last night and even though his Wikipedia clearly states Blackburn I still read it as Sunderland!

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    So he does. I looked him up last night and even though his Wikipedia clearly states Blackburn I still read it as Sunderland!
    Yip! Was on £68000 per week in the Championship reduced to £43000 per week in League One almost as much as you Callum? 😁

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    Yip! Was on £68000 per week in the Championship reduced to £43000 per week in League One almost as much as you Callum? 😁
    Wouldn’t get out of bed for £43k a week 👀

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    Started watching this the other night though I’m only at the start of Chris Colman’s reign and not as far in as other posters are. Looking forward to seeing what it is exactly that goes even more wrong for them under Colman as he’s always a young manager who’s impressed me massively, a wee wiki visit says he’s over in China now? Crazy though I’m sure the money can’t be bad. What has came to me since the first episode is I do have a small degree of pity for the supporters who really seem to be the only ones who care about the club while the likes of that p*** Bain take them to the cleaners real shame when football for the vast majority of these punters is the only thing really going for them in what has always been a rather and unfairly excluded part of England. One negative I’ve picked up on though is this conception that they are some sort of super power in football which rather arrogantly seems to come with a lot of the English teams nowadays, Bournemouth and Burnley to name a couple because they’ve managed to stay afloat in the premier league for a couple years yet I think the likes of us and even Dundee United have probably achieved far more in our contributions to the game. Liking the sound of a 2nd series though! Will be interesting to see first hand the effect Jack Ross is having/had and of course our very own Dylan


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    I just started watching it last night.

    Looks like I'm alone here, but I thought Martin Bain seemed ok. He was hated by the Sunderland fans, but had an impossible job - move on a load of crap players who were earning a fortune and not really wanting to contribute anything, and replace them with players who earned less but contributed significantly more.

    That will be a tough club to turn around, but by all accounts they are now just about going in the right direction.
    Totally agree Smartie.

    I'm just beginning episode 3 now and from what I've seen so far he seems alright.

    One thing that's stood out is the toxic atmosphere throughout the club. 4 or 5 games in and after winning 1, drawing 2 and losing 2 the fans are apoplectic with rage and that's a better start than we had to life in our first championship campaign.

    Quite incredible

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    Started watching this the other night though I’m only at the start of Chris Colman’s reign and not as far in as other posters are. Looking forward to seeing what it is exactly that goes even more wrong for them under Colman as he’s always a young manager who’s impressed me massively, a wee wiki visit says he’s over in China now? Crazy though I’m sure the money can’t be bad. What has came to me since the first episode is I do have a small degree of pity for the supporters who really seem to be the only ones who care about the club while the likes of that p*** Bain take them to the cleaners real shame when football for the vast majority of these punters is the only thing really going for them in what has always been a rather and unfairly excluded part of England. One negative I’ve picked up on though is this conception that they are some sort of super power in football which rather arrogantly seems to come with a lot of the English teams nowadays, Bournemouth and Burnley to name a couple because they’ve managed to stay afloat in the premier league for a couple years yet I think the likes of us and even Dundee United have probably achieved far more in our contributions to the game. Liking the sound of a 2nd series though! Will be interesting to see first hand the effect Jack Ross is having/had and of course our very own Dylan


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    Speaking to their fans in Middletons a few years ago you could not fail to be impressed by the passion enthusiasm and love they had for their club
    The club was their life and many looked as though they were hard working working class people pumping all their hard earned into following their beloved club
    Sunderland AFC are a well supported football club and what comes across in the Documentary is that their fans did not deserve the level of performances given during the duration of the series
    All any football fan asks for is 100% effort at all times

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    I've watched the first 3 episodes so far and found it pretty entertaining. I was interested to see Emerson Hyndman was one of their priority signing targets (EP2 I think)

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    Started watching this the other night though I’m only at the start of Chris Colman’s reign and not as far in as other posters are. Looking forward to seeing what it is exactly that goes even more wrong for them under Colman as he’s always a young manager who’s impressed me massively, a wee wiki visit says he’s over in China now? Crazy though I’m sure the money can’t be bad. What has came to me since the first episode is I do have a small degree of pity for the supporters who really seem to be the only ones who care about the club while the likes of that p*** Bain take them to the cleaners real shame when football for the vast majority of these punters is the only thing really going for them in what has always been a rather and unfairly excluded part of England. One negative I’ve picked up on though is this conception that they are some sort of super power in football which rather arrogantly seems to come with a lot of the English teams nowadays, Bournemouth and Burnley to name a couple because they’ve managed to stay afloat in the premier league for a couple years yet I think the likes of us and even Dundee United have probably achieved far more in our contributions to the game. Liking the sound of a 2nd series though! Will be interesting to see first hand the effect Jack Ross is having/had and of course our very own Dylan


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    Whilst they were in the Premier League they consistently had the 7th highest attendance in the league. To have the 7th highest attendances in one of the biggest leagues in Europe, you'd probably expect to be able to do a bit better than they have done, especially compared to the likes of Bournemouth who have done brilliantly on TV money and much smaller attendances.

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    Bournemouth who have done brilliantly on TV money and much smaller attendances.
    And their billionaire owner

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    I just started watching it last night.

    Looks like I'm alone here, but I thought Martin Bain seemed ok. He was hated by the Sunderland fans, but had an impossible job - move on a load of crap players who were earning a fortune and not really wanting to contribute anything, and replace them with players who earned less but contributed significantly more.

    That will be a tough club to turn around, but by all accounts they are now just about going in the right direction.
    I’m only a few episodes in but I agree, I think Bain comes across alright.

    Johnny Williams comes across as really shy for a footballer.

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    I’m only a few episodes in but I agree, I think Bain comes across alright.

    Johnny Williams comes across as really shy for a footballer.
    I know it’s Christmas and all that but I am sorry I have to disagree

    I have watched the whole series and I don’t want to hit you with any spoiler alerts but to me he sums up the worst traits of every boss I have ever had

    From emerging from his early morning swim posing in front of the cameras swanning about the Office giving the girls unwanted kisses running a multipound football club and all his facts figures and master plan written down in an old school jotter and all the time drinking coffee from his own personal nespresso coffee machine

    He goes through three Managers in one season

    To me he is an egomaniac talking pish to the cameras the office snake trying (quite rightly) to get players off the payroll and going the wrong way about it but the whole documentary seems to be about Martin Bain as far as he is concerned

    Bain and Short almost killed that club through their mismanagement and Stewart Donald the White Knight came in in the nick of time to stop the rot.

    We are spared a David Brent like “ please don’t sack me” final interview as his position is made redundant saving the club an immediate 1.25m

    I agree it is hard not to like the guy I feel that he genuinely wanted what was best for the club but was at a loss as to what to do to remedy the situation when all the time the answer was staring him right in the face

    Like David Brent not fit for purpose

    Just my opinion it is funny how folk see things differently

    I would thoroughly recommend this Documentary to anyone with time on their hands over the holiday period

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    I actually thought Bain came across alright, hardly his fault the owner was fed up with it and wanting to sell the club. Feel a bit sorry for Chris Coleman he had basically no funds in the January window to do anything

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    I know it’s Christmas and all that but I am sorry I have to disagree

    I have watched the whole series and I don’t want to hit you with any spoiler alerts but to me he sums up the worst traits of every boss I have ever had

    From emerging from his early morning swim posing in front of the cameras swanning about the Office giving the girls unwanted kisses running a multipound football club and all his facts figures and master plan written down in an old school jotter and all the time drinking coffee from his own personal nespresso coffee machine

    He goes through three Managers in one season

    To me he is an egomaniac talking pish to the cameras the office snake trying (quite rightly) to get players off the payroll and going the wrong way about it but the whole documentary seems to be about Martin Bain as far as he is concerned

    Bain and Short almost killed that club through their mismanagement and Stewart Donald the White Knight came in in the nick of time to stop the rot.

    We are spared a David Brent like “ please don’t sack me” final interview as his position is made redundant saving the club an immediate 1.25m

    I agree it is hard not to like the guy I feel that he genuinely wanted what was best for the club but was at a loss as to what to do to remedy the situation when all the time the answer was staring him right in the face

    Like David Brent not fit for purpose

    Just my opinion it is funny how folk see things differently

    I would thoroughly recommend this Documentary to anyone with time on their hands over the holiday period

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    Having watched the whole series he came across like the vast majority of senior managers at my work. Talks a good game but the slightest peek behind the curtains will reveal a jotter with no detail to back up their grand plan. In other words they get where they are by being good talkers and very little else.

    The series as a whole was compulsive viewing for me and a great insight into a football team. Rodwell was that bad apple that could spoil the whole barrel. Again parallels in my work place with workers being paid twice as much on contracts as other workers, despite not contributing greatly. Youngsters doing well when given the chance and players injuries being frustrating for everyone.

    One thing that came over brilliantly was the fans. So much so that I think I will try to get down there for a game, good excuse to see how Dylan is doing too. No idea if they are doing another series but it would be great to watch what happens this season as they are in a similar battle albeit for promotion this time. Anything other than promotion will feel like another relegation to them given the size of the club.

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    One thing that came over brilliantly was the fans.

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    I think Bain is quite the idiot and not fit to be chief exec of a football club. However, when he floated the idea of marketing the club to potential players, the folk working at Sunderland had never given it a thought which seems mental to me. They had just been coasting along for years using the Premier League as their selling point and as soon as they started to struggle outwith it literally no one had any idea what to do.

    That first manager they had was like us under butcher, so much damage was done that it was impossible to repair and come back from.

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    Having watched the whole series he came across like the vast majority of senior managers at my work. Talks a good game but the slightest peek behind the curtains will reveal a jotter with no detail to back up their grand plan. In other words they get where they are by being good talkers and very little else.

    The series as a whole was compulsive viewing for me and a great insight into a football team. Rodwell was that bad apple that could spoil the whole barrel. Again parallels in my work place with workers being paid twice as much on contracts as other workers, despite not contributing greatly. Youngsters doing well when given the chance and players injuries being frustrating for everyone.

    One thing that came over brilliantly was the fans. So much so that I think I will try to get down there for a game, good excuse to see how Dylan is doing too. No idea if they are doing another series but it would be great to watch what happens this season as they are in a similar battle albeit for promotion this time. Anything other than promotion will feel like another relegation to them given the size of the club.
    Agree!

    I felt sorry for the fans they love their club

    Please see my earlier posts

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    I went down to see Sunderland a few times last season. I've never had an English team, but when I was down in Newcastle for the weekend my Mrs and I went along to see them. AT that time I'd sort of lost track of them, I'd seen the pre-season friendly with Hibs and knew they'd been relegated but that was about it.

    When I went to see them (a home defeat to Bristol City in October) they were terrible, but with their fall from grace I was sort of fascinated and went down a few times after that to follow their progress and I still keep a wee eye out for them (3/1 to win 7/3 DNB away to Pompey today btw).

    It's an easy ground to get to from Edinburgh - train to Newcastle (you can get cheap tickets in advance) that takes no time, Metro to stadium of Light and it's no trouble getting a ticket - big ticket office next to the ground, sometimes they still do cash turnstiles and there isn't exactly a shortage of seats to pick from.

    IMO the damage was done before the documentary, they'd been a disaster area for a while, and essentially the documentary picks them up in a similar position to when the final whistle blew on our relegation. They were actually in a half-decent position about a year before the documentary - Allardyce was in charge and they'd finished the season very strongly to pull off an unlikely escape from relegation. When Allardyce was appointed England manager and they decided David Moyes was the man to take over, that was when they were sunk. He sucked the life out of the place by being very negative about what he had at his disposal (exactly the same as Allardyce had done very well with) and was a disaster from day one. He should never have been appointed, but then should have been sacked long before he left the club

    Around that time, the club were abysmally mismanaged. Ellis Short actually pumped in a fair few quid but he trusted all the wrong people to lead the club (not necessarily the managers) and they were in a horrible cycle of losing a manager every year, appointing another one, the new manager can't work with the previous one's players, succession of expensive sticking plaster type signings etc etc. Some of the financial deals on transfers were mind-bogglingly bad - Rodwell is obviously a cracker, but the Ricky Alvarez one was the best.

    By the time the documentary started, Short had had enough of throwing fortunes around only for it to be wasted, so they'd started the process of trying to trim the wage bill drastically whilst keeping a competitive team on the park.

    I don't think Grayson was to blame for anything. He was set up to fail, the same way Bain was set up to look like the bad guy.

    Ultimately the club got into a position where it could be sold and Short wrote of colossal debt levels. They're still having to try to get a tune out of a few expensive duds (who are doing ok at League one level) but a lot of the worst offenders have now left.

    I do think that dropping to the level they have has been useful - they've been able to clear the decks and start again. They've got far more honest players now, who relish being at a bigger club rather than just being there to hang onto the Premier League gravy train.

    It won't be long before they're back again, and the documentaries showing that rise will be interesting, especially after such a car-crash of a start.

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    Looking forward to watching it , the Man City one was really good

    It was interesting to see just how much goes on at a big club , and what they do ...

    Although not in the same style Liverpool put a lot of videos on you tube which are a good watch too


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    Having watched the whole series he came across like the vast majority of senior managers at my work. Talks a good game but the slightest peek behind the curtains will reveal a jotter with no detail to back up their grand plan. In other words they get where they are by being good talkers and very little else.

    The series as a whole was compulsive viewing for me and a great insight into a football team. Rodwell was that bad apple that could spoil the whole barrel. Again parallels in my work place with workers being paid twice as much on contracts as other workers, despite not contributing greatly. Youngsters doing well when given the chance and players injuries being frustrating for everyone.

    One thing that came over brilliantly was the fans. So much so that I think I will try to get down there for a game, good excuse to see how Dylan is doing too. No idea if they are doing another series but it would be great to watch what happens this season as they are in a similar battle albeit for promotion this time. Anything other than promotion will feel like another relegation to them given the size of the club.
    Another series is being filmed but Netflix haven't committed to commisioning it yet but I suspect that with all reviews to date they will pick it up.

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    Started watching this the other night though I’m only at the start of Chris Colman’s reign and not as far in as other posters are. Looking forward to seeing what it is exactly that goes even more wrong for them under Colman as he’s always a young manager who’s impressed me massively, a wee wiki visit says he’s over in China now? Crazy though I’m sure the money can’t be bad. What has came to me since the first episode is I do have a small degree of pity for the supporters who really seem to be the only ones who care about the club while the likes of that p*** Bain take them to the cleaners real shame when football for the vast majority of these punters is the only thing really going for them in what has always been a rather and unfairly excluded part of England. One negative I’ve picked up on though is this conception that they are some sort of super power in football which rather arrogantly seems to come with a lot of the English teams nowadays, Bournemouth and Burnley to name a couple because they’ve managed to stay afloat in the premier league for a couple years yet I think the likes of us and even Dundee United have probably achieved far more in our contributions to the game. Liking the sound of a 2nd series though! Will be interesting to see first hand the effect Jack Ross is having/had and of course our very own Dylan


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    Ross is doing well. Few players such as Catrernole Oviedo and McGeady remain on daft wages but to be fair they have buckled down unlike the despicable Rodwell Kone and others to mention but a few who screwed club over, granted they had contracts and guess we would be no different on a personal level if we had the contracts they were given but that just emphasised how wrong football is at the moment plus shows the club's mismanagement.
    Fans to me just want a team to show passion and commitment that they show to clubs themselves.
    Felt Bain was a disaster and didnt like him though show does show how his hands were tied. However it was ironic to see him virtually pleading to the camera for his job post takeover but didn't himself give a thought to those staff that he himself sacked.

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    Ross is doing well. Few players such as Catrernole Oviedo and McGeady remain on daft wages but to be fair they have buckled down unlike the despicable Rodwell Kone and others to mention but a few who screwed club over, granted they had contracts and guess we would be no different on a personal level if we had the contracts they were given but that just emphasised how wrong football is at the moment plus shows the club's mismanagement.
    Fans to me just want a team to show passion and commitment that they show to clubs themselves.
    Felt Bain was a disaster and didnt like him though show does show how his hands were tied. However it was ironic to see him virtually pleading to the camera for his job post takeover but didn't himself give a thought to those staff that he himself sacked.
    I'd be surprised if he didn't give a thought to the staff he sacked. The reason he was paid what he was though was to do a billionaire's dirty work, whether he enjoyed it or carried it out without a second thought.

    A friend of mine used to hold a fairly lofty position in a declining industry that involved him having to be the person who would met people face to face to lay them off. He absolutely hated it, but was able to do it. On many occasions he tried to leave because it made him miserable, but the bosses would offer him more and more to get him to stay as he was good at it, and for a while longer than was good for him he stayed. He would say to senior figures "why don't you get rid of me, on my wages you could save x number of them" but his value in being able to do this job (amongst others) was of greater value to them.

    Bain will know the scores, and will have toddled off with a typically hefty pay-off.

    It will be interesting to see what job offers he gets in future though. I don't think there will be much modelling work out there for him any more, and having Rangers (as they were known back then) and Sunderland on your CV won't exactly have clubs knocking your door down to work at them.

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    I thought it was brilliant. I’m sure the second series will make for good viewing as well.

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    Started watching last night because the wife was on nightshift, up early to resume watching. I could literally cry for the staff working behind the scenes who are dying inside. Not had a lump in the throat since watching Time for Heroes.

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    I binged watched this last week.

    The staff behind the scenes really are unsung heroes. They had a real passion for their club and city and did an admirable job with such an uncertain future hanging over them.

    I didn't hate Martin Bain. He just came across as one of those corporate types that leave you scratching your head as to how they got as far as they did in business. The gift of the gab I suppose.

    I really liked George Honeyman. He showed real passion and you could see what it meant to him to be playing for his club. His 'if I can't be better at least I'll be fitter' attitude was superb and he was the one player that showed real emotion throughout. It hurt him. I'm glad he's doing well this season in a team that is looking good for at least the play offs. He deserves it.

    Off the 2 managers I felt a bit sorry for Grayson. As soon as the deal for McCormack fell through you knew he was doomed. Chris Coleman didn't sit right with me at all. He kept going on about how passionate he was and how he loved a challenge but beyond his playing to the crowd on the park I just felt he needed a rocket up his erse most of the time. Despite his words to the contrary it seemed he gave up and the players followed suit. Aiden McGeady was absolutely scathing about him after the Millwall draw whe he said they played a formation they had never used before and he never had a clue where he was meant to be playing or what his role was. He also said he was used to managers who were passionate and used to work training around solving problems they had identified . He said Coleman had them watch a video, talk for a few minutes then it was back to laughing and joking on the training pitch. It's easy to see why his club management career is bang average at best.

    One interesting thing I found out from a Sunderland forum is one of the companies involved in making the show was also in negotiations to buy the club at the time so that may present some things in a different light.

    Overall I enjoyed it and it will be interesting to see how things have changed in a 2nd series.

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    I binged watched this last week.

    The staff behind the scenes really are unsung heroes. They had a real passion for their club and city and did an admirable job with such an uncertain future hanging over them.

    I didn't hate Martin Bain. He just came across as one of those corporate types that leave you scratching your head as to how they got as far as they did in business. The gift of the gab I suppose.

    I really liked George Honeyman. He showed real passion and you could see what it meant to him to be playing for his club. His 'if I can't be better at least I'll be fitter' attitude was superb and he was the one player that showed real emotion throughout. It hurt him. I'm glad he's doing well this season in a team that is looking good for at least the play offs. He deserves it.

    Off the 2 managers I felt a bit sorry for Grayson. As soon as the deal for McCormack fell through you knew he was doomed. Chris Coleman didn't sit right with me at all. He kept going on about how passionate he was and how he loved a challenge bit beyond his playing to the crowd on the park I just felt he needed a rocket up his erse most of the time. Despite his words to the contrary it seemed he gave up and the players followed suit. Aiden McGeady was absolutely scathing about him after the Millwall draw whe he said they played a formation they had never used before and he never had a clue where he was meant to be playing or what his role was. He also said he was used to managers who were passionate and used to work training around solving problems they had identified . He said Coleman had them watch a video, talk for a few minutes then it was back to laughing and joking on the training pitch. It's easy to see why his club management career is bang average at best.

    One interesting thing I found out from a Sunderland forum is one of the companies involved in making the show was also in negotiations to buy the club at the time so that may present some things in a different light.

    Overall I enjoyed it and it will be interesting to see how things have changed in a 2nd series.
    Likewise, was expecting him to come across terribly after reading the comments but I thought he seemed alright. Incompetent at his job though by the look of it.

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    Likewise, was expecting him to come across terribly after reading the comments but I thought he seemed alright. Incompetent at his job though by the look of it.
    Someone who had been promoted well beyond his ability, imho.

    He looked out of his depth from the word go.
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    Bain was paid £1,243,829m a year, incredible.

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    Is this available on perfect player?

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    Is this available on perfect player?
    Think it’s just Netflix

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