Delaying the inevitable

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 05-12-2018 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by SquashedFrogg

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Ok then, what do you benchmark against?

The fact we have the fifth biggest budget in the league (by a mile) yet we’re 8th and sinking like a stone? Why on earth would you look at the season we were relegated and decide everything’s fine cause we’re (currently) in a better position than that? Is that really your ambition for Hibs, as long as we survive relegation we should be happy?

**Aim Here** · 05-12-2018 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Take out the cup win and a decent season last year, your left with complete dross. My opinion is I'd rather it changed up top and not keep hiring and firing managers.

I agree. If you discount all those times we've been good, we've been *****.

**SlickShoes** · 05-12-2018 09:19 PM

The current situation is more like where we were with Fenlon, and we know what happened when we bumped him and got butcher in, we just got worse and worse.

I am annoyed but Lennon still deserves the time to turn it around, a win on Saturday is a must.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 05-12-2018 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

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The current situation is more like where we were with Fenlon, and we know what happened when we bumped him and got butcher in, we just got worse and worse.

I am annoyed but Lennon still deserves the time to turn it around, a win on Saturday is a must.

A win tonight was a must. Even Parker said it in his interview.

**The Green Goblin** · 05-12-2018 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jackh

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Watch out. That comment will have you labelled as a “yam fud” less than 37282827637 posts a week. Automatic “puddle drinker”

ltyf

***FitbaFolkKen*** · 05-12-2018 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Take out the cup win and a decent season last year, your left with complete dross. My opinion is I'd rather it changed up top and not keep hiring and firing managers.

We haven’t fired anyone since Butcher and we are in a slightly different place now than then. The last two appointments have been excellent.

Our “decent” season last season was the highest points total we’ve ever achieved so if that’s your standard you’ll never be happy.

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**hibbydog** · 05-12-2018 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Take out the cup win and a decent season last year, your left with complete dross. My opinion is I'd rather it changed up top and not keep hiring and firing managers.

Terrible post.

By that logic if we take out the draws and defeats we’re an amazing team

**~~My_Wife_Camille~~** · 05-12-2018 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by SquashedFrogg

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Comparing Butcher to Lennon... I can't beat that. I'll leave .net for the evening safe in the knowledge there's going to be a few soaked mattresses in the morning.

Instead of being a smart arse, why not try and counter someone’s argument for once?

Making snidey comments and hiding behind insults and cliches doesn’t make my point any less true I’m afraid.

***Keith_M*** · 05-12-2018 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

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The current situation is more like where we were with Fenlon, and we know what happened when we bumped him and got butcher in, we just got worse and worse.

I am annoyed but Lennon still deserves the time to turn it around, a win on Saturday is a must.

We've been saying that for quite a few games now.

***FitbaFolkKen*** · 05-12-2018 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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With all you that are happy with the board that's fine. I'm not and I find them incapable of making good decisions. I don't think they invest enough money in the playing side of things and that shows as we see teams like Aberdeen and Hearts outspend us on a regular basis. In the last ten years they have appointed 7 managers. That equates to about a year and a half each. That tells me they are inept at finding the right people to run the club.

We see teams with higher turnover outspend us????? Crazy!

Since we appointed Leanne we’ve appointed two, that would suggest rather than being inept they have solved the problem of the previous 5 years.

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**DetroitHibs** · 05-12-2018 09:26 PM

Honestly some of you lot that worship the board are blind. I'm not basing my opinion to get rid of the board on recent results. The facts are we are a bottom six club under there leadership. We have been relegated twice and spend three ****ing years languished in the first division. Not disputing there have been good times. Cups and a couple of good league positions, but as a whole they have been murder.

**hibbydog** · 05-12-2018 09:26 PM

There is a credible case for getting rid of Lennon because we’re on an alarming slide, and his comments recently have been pretty disheartening to hear.

But there’s also evidence to suggest that changing the manager mid season doesn’t necessarily work and it’s an expensive risk. Overall, our record of appointing managers isn’t great.

Players are underperforming and need to do the business.

**Hi Heid Yin** · 05-12-2018 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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Of course we don’t know where he’ll take us. We could still mathematically win the league. An educated guess based on his poor signings and the state of the team now that a lot of AS players have gone though would suggest it’s not going to be somewhere positive.

The present team is performing as a middle of the table team.
That in itself is disappointing at this stage, but thinking back to our last 2 (eventually glorious) campaigns and I seem to recall we had disappointing pre-xmas results in both - followed by more impressive 2nd halves to each season.
So, are we witnessing a 3rd campaign led by Neil Lennon where we are failing to hit the heights pre-xmas but can look forward to a dramatic change in fortunes post January?

**~~My_Wife_Camille~~** · 05-12-2018 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

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The current situation is more like where we were with Fenlon, and we know what happened when we bumped him and got butcher in, we just got worse and worse.

I am annoyed but Lennon still deserves the time to turn it around, a win on Saturday is a must.

A win on Saturday isn’t a must.

If we don’t win on Saturday we’ll still be getting told that it’s only 8 games, it’s his first bad run, that he’s the best manager in 40 years, that we’re bedwetters, that we’re only X points off 4th and all the rest of the stuff that’s been repeated over the last 7 games. Nothing will change even if we don’t win.

**SlickShoes** · 05-12-2018 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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A win tonight was a must. Even Parker said it in his interview.

It was but the game is over now, Saturday is huge, if we lose then I think it could be the beginning of the end for Lennon but if we win we get something to build on at least.

***bingo70*** · 05-12-2018 09:33 PM

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It was but the game is over now, Saturday is huge, if we lose then I think it could be the beginning of the end for Lennon but if we win we get something to build on at least.

The beginning of the end is already well and truly underway.

A win at the weekend would be great but with the run of fixtures we have coming up I’m not sure we’ll be building on anything.

It’s maybe also worth considering we are unlikely to win at the weekend as we’re continually told we can’t play on these Astro pitches. Bet the players will be full of confidence going into that game.

***Chip shop Joe*** · 05-12-2018 09:34 PM

Why are people always being told to be positive?

There are not very many positives about our team at the moment and our manager is a big part of that I am afraid.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 05-12-2018 09:35 PM

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It was but the game is over now, Saturday is huge, if we lose then I think it could be the beginning of the end for Lennon but if we win we get something to build on at least.

Of course now that todays over Saturday becomes a must win. But then if we don't win on Saturday we'll just say the same thing again and again until we either do eventually end up winning or we end up battling to stay away from playoffs/relegation. There has to come a time where a "must win" means must win.

**~~Iggy Pope~~** · 05-12-2018 09:38 PM

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Why are people always being told to be positive?

There are not very many positives about our team at the moment and our manager is a big part of that I am afraid.

Originally Posted by Chip shop Joe

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Why are people always being told to be positive?

There are not very many positives about our team at the moment and our manager is a big part of that I am afraid.

Is this to be one of those hourly vigils Joe?

**hibbydog** · 05-12-2018 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Honestly some of you lot that worship the board are blind. I'm not basing my opinion to get rid of the board on recent results. The facts are we are a bottom six club under there leadership. We have been relegated twice and spend three ****ing years languished in the first division. Not disputing there have been good times. Cups and a couple of good league positions, but as a whole they have been murder.

Got a pickle up your arse tonight sir?

**~~The_Horde~~** · 05-12-2018 09:42 PM

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We've been here before..

Two draws against the bottom two isn't good news

Time for change

St Mirren just beat hearts and have drawn with Celtic too this season. It's not quite as easy as that.

**~~The_Horde~~** · 05-12-2018 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by My_Wife_Camille

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A win on Saturday isn’t a must.

If we don’t win on Saturday we’ll still be getting told that it’s only 8 games, it’s his first bad run, that he’s the best manager in 40 years, that we’re bedwetters, that we’re only X points off 4th and all the rest of the stuff that’s been repeated over the last 7 games. Nothing will change even if we don’t win.

Because sacking managers at the first sign of a bad run contributed to our relegation with players deciding they don't like certain managers and won't play for them.

**DetroitHibs** · 05-12-2018 09:44 PM

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Got a pickle up your arse tonight sir?

Na, you want one in your mouth

**hibbydog** · 05-12-2018 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Na, you want one in your mouth

Feel like I already have after that sh!!!te performance

**SouthsideHarp_Bhoy** · 05-12-2018 09:48 PM

I think he deserves more time, but the writing is on the wall and Dempster isnt doing her job if she isnt making plans. Hopefully she can shred them in a month or two.

**~~My_Wife_Camille~~** · 05-12-2018 09:48 PM

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Because sacking managers at the first sign of a bad run contributed to our relegation with players deciding they don't like certain managers and won't play for them.

No, hiring a crap replacement was the problem.

For every Fenlon/Butcher scenario there’s a McCulloch/Clarke one.

**DetroitHibs** · 05-12-2018 09:49 PM

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Feel like I already have after that sh!!!te performance

Hahaha fair play

**Hi Heid Yin** · 05-12-2018 09:51 PM

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I think he deserves more time, but the writing is on the wall and Dempster isnt doing her job if she isnt making plans. Hopefully she can shred them in a month or two.

The only plans Leeann will be making are to ensure that Neil Lennon is given significant funds to splash in the January window.

She is on his side and has no intention of sacking him.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 05-12-2018 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitHibs

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Honestly some of you lot that worship the board are blind. I'm not basing my opinion to get rid of the board on recent results. The facts are we are a bottom six club under there leadership. We have been relegated twice and spend three ****ing years languished in the first division. Not disputing there have been good times. Cups and a couple of good league positions, but as a whole they have been murder.

I'll ask you again, since you probably didn't see it the first time.

Who was on the Board in 98 when we were relegated?

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