Ireland is England's oldest colony. If the English did all the things they did to Scotland that they have done to Ireland I would hope we had a SRA. Siding with oppressed and exploited is not sectarian especially when they offer a non religous and non sectarian state.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Celtc Fans' Sectarian Singing
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22-11-2018 10:36 AM #31
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22-11-2018 10:42 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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this is my last posts on this thread, but this seems to be the pattern of those with a bent for defending singing these songs, waving flags etc - playing semantics with the word 'sectarianism'. it's not about what the word originally meant, what it means now, whether you define this that or the other thing as sectarian, whether you blame this organisation more than that, who is the worst etc etc etc.
people get the ***** kicked out of them because of this issue, and those that perpetrate this don't have a nuanced, educated perspective on what this is all about. to them it's songs, flags, sides and paggering people.
if you want to define your way out of accepting that this is a major problem, then you are part of the problem
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22-11-2018 11:03 AM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-11-2018 11:12 AM #35
Actions speak louder than words. Highlighting the issue is a positive, but what are they going to do to try and stop it? The Green Brigade have been a thorn in the flesh for Celtic for a long time.
Maybe they could start by asking the DJ not to play any music which encourages pro IRA singing?
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22-11-2018 11:32 AM #36This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Part of the problem is that everyone wants to get hung up on definitions to legitimise their own unacceptable conduct and condemn that of others.
Can we really get on our high horse as long as we've got the songs about Mercer, Skacel etc?
Offensive singing is offensive singing whether is is sectarian in nature, celebrating terrorist organisations or the demise of a rival club's chairman, or racist, or homophobic in nature.
What is classed as offensive depends mainly on who is being offended, as the mere existence of Neil Lennon offends some idiots.
I don't like a lot of what comes from fans of Rangers and Celtic but were hardly angels ourselves and debating the definitions of sectarianism are a distraction.
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22-11-2018 11:38 AM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-11-2018 11:42 AM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For example, cheer up Jimmy Jeffries/ Craig Levein. Highly offensive to the fat jambo bassa and fat people/jambo in general, but to my mind acceptable.
Equally, if you want to ask Neil lennon to cheer up whilst calling him a fat ginger bassa, fair enough.
One of the most disgusting songs I’ve heard was from Hibs fans and directed at Darren Jackson, it wasn’t sectarian, just plain nasty.
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22-11-2018 11:50 AM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
...not so complex in this case though - the song isn't about him being a see you next tuesday, it's a song celebrating him being dead, and laughing at his wife.
to be honest, there's a part of this song that appeals to my slightly dark/south park style sense of humour, but i still don't think it's ok to sing it.
so if you need a 'rule', calling someone a **** is not as bad as celebrating someone's death. hope that helps
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22-11-2018 01:41 PM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
To raise awareness of a football related article... in particular one that surprised me in the willingness of some at Celtc to admit they had a problem with what they themselves described as Sectarian Songs.
I look forward with interest to the similar issues being raised at The Ranger's AGM.
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22-11-2018 01:44 PM #41
Can't wait for the Green Brigade's response to this. It will literally be an enormous banner with the phrase "BUT WHAT ABOUT RANGERS?" printed on it.
Game, set and match.
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22-11-2018 01:46 PM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Mercer was such a divisive character that I would argue some distasteful stuff was fair game at the time of the takeover and even at the time of his death.
It's old news now though, and the longer it goes on for the more irrelevant, distasteful and unnecessary it gets.
I actually accept that there are songs that are unpalatable to some that just should not be banned - Rule Britannia, the Fields of Athenry etc are not sectarian songs, whereas songs about being up to your knees in fenian blood and those that revel in the actions of terrorist organisations are unacceptable.
I remember the song to which you refer, and I remember shuddering when I heard it. There is no way that kind of thing is more acceptable than anything that has come from a Rangers or Celtic end.
Neil Lennon deserves abuse every time he turns up at Tynecastle for the simple reason that he is the Hibs manager. The nature of that abuse shouldn't cross a line though, and should be equivalent to the kind of stuff we happily hurl at Levein or Jefferies.
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22-11-2018 02:56 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-11-2018 05:57 PM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Secondly - A discussion about Celtic fans singing sectarian songs has hee haw to do with Hibs QUOTE and football in general QUOTE has it???
The kind of discussion The Holy Ground is meant for...
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22-11-2018 06:08 PM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2018 09:29 AM #46This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
(IMO it is to do with football – while any thread in this kind of topic is inevitably going to stray into Holy Ground territory, in this case the OP was about the board of Celtic Football Club discussing songs sung at football matches by fans of Celtic Football Club.)
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23-11-2018 04:58 PM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2018 05:03 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Load of pish.
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23-11-2018 05:40 PM #49This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Celtc are a Football Club, hence I'd say it was football related.
It shouldn't be, but it's a sad fact of life in Scotland, especially at Cetlc and The Rangers games.
Oh and the people that complained about it being called Sectarian Singing; you need to take that up with the people at the Celtc AGM who used that term to describe it...as I quite clearly pointed out in the original post.
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23-11-2018 05:54 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2018 06:52 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Probably, yeah.
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24-11-2018 01:43 PM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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