England v Croatia

[we are hibs]

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Definitely are.

This ABE mentality is ridiculous and, as you say, smacks of jealousy from Scotland fans.

It's called football rivalry. Most on here don't know the meaning of it considering half them wanted hearts to win games last season.

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Exactly what I thought of your bitter little comment.

I'm no England fan, but you must be in agony everytime they win. Which, as you know, is most of the time.

You're no England fan yet you're on here defending them all the time? Lol. Just find it funny when England lose, like hearts. You obviously don't and buy into this "friendly neighbours let's all support each other guys!!!" Pish.

[we are hibs]

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Doesn't matter. They got there and done really well. This forum insisted Colombia would pump them. They got through that. Their fans had a brilliant summer. The ifs and buts are just jealousy because Scotland are hopeless.

The have topped a group with Spain and Croatia. Is it that difficult to just admit what is right before your eyes. They're a good side.

Never said they weren't did I? They are vastly overrated. They managed 3 wins out of 7 games at the world cup and some on here were proclaiming them as the best footballing side since Brazil in the 70s. It's embarrassing. Don't know why you keep bringing Scotland up either, pretty sure everyone knows we are pish no one said otherwise. Scottish people laugh at England when they lose. Hibs fans laugh at hearts when they lose. What's the difference?

[Albanian Hibs]

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If it's not jealousy what is it then ?

So because I want hertz/england to getting pumped in every game that means I am jealous of them?? 😂😂😂 Nah dinnae think so.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Potential to be a good side. They’re already a very good side.

Agree they have potential to be a good side but they are not already a very good side Brazil 1970 was a very good side.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Never said they weren't did I? They are vastly overrated. They managed 3 wins out of 7 games at the world cup and some on here were proclaiming them as the best footballing side since Brazil in the 70s. It's embarrassing. Don't know why you keep bringing Scotland up either, pretty sure everyone knows we are pish no one said otherwise. Scottish people laugh at England when they lose. Hibs fans laugh at hearts when they lose. What's the difference?

They were world cup semi finalists. Doesn't matter who they beat. 2 of the games they lost didn't matter. No one said they were Brazil of the 70's.

Nothing wrong with laughing at them losing, I do it as well. Being blind to them being good and just insulting them just makes you look daft.

[superfurryhibby]

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Agree they have potential to be a good side but they are not already a very good side Brazil 1970 was a very good side.

What’s the difference between good, very good, excellent, outstanding, superb, magnificent?

England are, by current standards, very good. As highlighted by results, they are capable of beating other tops sides. They do underperform at tournaments and that’s where it matters. Given the talent at their disposal they may well do so.

However, I reserve the right to be A.B.E and just to repeat what anyone who understands football already knows....it’s called sporting rivalry. It’s that simple.

[BILLYHIBS]

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What’s the difference between good, very good, excellent, outstanding, superb, magnificent?

England are, by current standards, very good. As highlighted by results, they are capable of beating other tops sides. They do underperform at tournaments and that’s where it matters. Given the talent at their disposal they may well do so.

However, I reserve the right to be A.B.E and just to repeat what anyone who understands football already knows....it’s called sporting rivalry. It’s that simple.

I am ABE as well but very good at international level means bordering on excellent Brazil Holland Germany Italy and Spain at their best The OP is correct England have the potential to be a good side and they are far from the finished article if they ever get there to be fair to them they grind out results and their recent victories against Spain and Croatia have to be applauded I remember their WorId Cup semi versus Croatia for long spells they could not get the ball off them and struggled to get the ball out of their own half and resorted to hoof ball to ease the pressure I am convinced if Rakitic had played yesterday Croatia would have had the quality to pick off England on the counter attack but fair dos to them they beat the World Cup finalists a win is a win but not in the cavalier style of Brazil Holland or that other great seventies side Turnbulls Tornadoes 😁
ABE

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

One thing that you can say about England just now is that they play the game in that way that you want to see it done. Almost beyond belief that they Allardice in change not that long ago. I also get the impression that Southgate can manage expectations , including those held in the media.

[JeMeSouviens]

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And JeMeSouviens - apologies, you always put up decent content and thought-out posts.

Likewise. Actually, I think our new world orders wouldn't be a million miles apart. It's the tactics to get there we disagree most on.

[JeMeSouviens]

I see Liverpool's long throw in coach (yes, they really have one!) paid dividends.

[PatHead]

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I see Liverpool's long throw in coach (yes, they really have one!) paid dividends.

I thought he was just a throw in coach rather than long throws?

[SirDavidsNapper]

Anyone but Hearts
Anyone but Rangers
Anyone but England

Usually in that order depending on the circumstances

[JeMeSouviens]

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I thought he was just a throw in coach rather than long throws?

I think you're right but long throws are his specialty - he claims the world record.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45405476

[Green Man]

I used to be in the ABE camp, mainly due to two factors: the English media, and the English players. The media used to annoy me with their constant crowing about England; often you’d get 2 minutes into a World Cup match between Switzerland and Mexico and you’d have the commentators talking about England. The papers would be full of hype about England. I no longer pay attention to the papers, so I don’t know if they have toned down the hype, but it doesn’t bother me.

On the pitch, there were always some England players who I disliked - with the the likes of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard in the side it was good seeing them lose. Nowadays I barely know half the England team, so don’t have that dislike for them. And when their keeper is the wee boy from This Is England, you can’t really wish ill on him.

I still have the rivalry where it’s good fun seeing England lose, but it’s nothing more than that. Gareth Southgate seems like a decent guy who has done well to prove himself as England manager after his penalty miss all those years ago, so I’ve got respect for him. Credit where it’s due, he’s got a young team playing good football and that should be applauded.

[BILLYHIBS]

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I used to be in the ABE camp, mainly due to two factors: the English media, and the English players. The media used to annoy me with their constant crowing about England; often you’d get 2 minutes into a World Cup match between Switzerland and Mexico and you’d have the commentators talking about England. The papers would be full of hype about England. I no longer pay attention to the papers, so I don’t know if they have toned down the hype, but it doesn’t bother me.

On the pitch, there were always some England players who I disliked - with the the likes of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard in the side it was good seeing them lose. Nowadays I barely know half the England team, so don’t have that dislike for them. And when their keeper is the wee boy from This Is England, you can’t really wish ill on him.

I still have the rivalry where it’s good fun seeing England lose, but it’s nothing more than that. Gareth Southgate seems like a decent guy who has done well to prove himself as England manager after his penalty miss all those years ago, so I’ve got respect for him. Credit where it’s due, he’s got a young team playing good football and that should be applauded.

Agree with this but still in the ABE camp
I thought I was alone or perhaps just getting old or have no interest in English football but I too have never heard of some of the England squad

[hibsbollah]

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I thought he was just a throw in coach rather than long throws?

It's a lot more than just chucking it long. But if you have the ability to chuck it long, you create more space the opposition need to defend. This is a great site, when you think 12 minutes of the 90 are spent dealing with throw in situations it's amazing there isn't more attention given to it.


http://trainingground.guru/articles/...-throw-in-guru

[PatHead]

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It's a lot more than just chucking it long. But if you have the ability to chuck it long, you create more space the opposition need to defend. This is a great site, when you think 12 minutes of the 90 are spent dealing with throw in situations it's amazing there isn't more attention given to it.


http://trainingground.guru/articles/...-throw-in-guru

Agree it is a great threat to have. I assume that he will work on defending throws as well?

Wish we had one as we very rarely take advantage of throw ins.

[hibsbollah]

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Agree it is a great threat to have. I assume that he will work on defending throws as well?

Wish we had one as we very rarely take advantage of throw ins.

Good point. It makes sense to do so, so i bet he does have tactics for defending them as well. It's always been a weakness for Hibs, Gronnemark is a freelancer so there's no reason why we couldn't hire him or someone like him? Sarri had 33 different prearranged throwin moves at Napoli the players had to learn, and why not?

[timewilltell]

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Agree they have potential to be a good side but they are not already a very good side Brazil 1970 was a very good side.

Not a good side? Goodness, where does that leave us?

[BILLYHIBS]

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Not a good side? Goodness, where does that leave us?

Recent results show they are a good side but a very good side no not just yet.
As for Scotland?
Ask me Wednesday 😂

[IGRIGI]

I'm in the ABE camp, nothing to do with England, everything to do with the smugness of "Scottish" people who decide to pretend to support England and declare it to the world as if they are a level above.

[Since90+2]

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Recent results show they are a good side but a very good side no not just yet.
As for Scotland?
Ask me Wednesday 😂

Your criteria for a very good side must be very high. England are probably in the top 6 or 7 sides in the world at the moment.

[Keith_M]

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Why is it not?

It's called rivalry, e.g. Anyone But Hearts.

[Northernhibee]

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I'm in the ABE camp, nothing to do with England, everything to do with the smugness of "Scottish" people who decide to pretend to support England and declare it to the world as if they are a level above.

It's incredible, it appears everyone in the ABE camp say it's "nothing to do with England". I hope they've all convinced the person they've been trying to

[BILLYHIBS]

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Your criteria for a very good side must be very high. England are probably in the top 6 or 7 sides in the world at the moment.

Yip it is high sorry!
Very good sides win trophies
They play exciting entertaining attractive attacking football
Have superstar household names in every position
Pele called it the beautiful game for a reason
England grind out results
In the last World Cup England picked the easiest route to the last four and had a club spirit about them but that spirit was not good enough
Harry Kane looked as though he was not fully fit in the latter stages of the tournament
Very good sides do not rely on one player
Their recent results are to be applauded against Spain and Croatia but I still cannot see them winning any major tournaments anytime soon

[JXM73]

ABE for me... sporting wise i hope they lose at everything, but no to the extent of waving other nations flags etc...that's pathetic..just dont care enough... and non football i dont care about scottish representatives either...

[Lago]

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So because I want hertz/england to getting pumped in every game that means I am jealous of them?? 😂😂😂 Nah dinnae think so.

Yeah I think so.

[Lago]

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I used to be in the ABE camp, mainly due to two factors: the English media, and the English players. The media used to annoy me with their constant crowing about England; often you’d get 2 minutes into a World Cup match between Switzerland and Mexico and you’d have the commentators talking about England. The papers would be full of hype about England. I no longer pay attention to the papers, so I don’t know if they have toned down the hype, but it doesn’t bother me.

On the pitch, there were always some England players who I disliked - with the the likes of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard in the side it was good seeing them lose. Nowadays I barely know half the England team, so don’t have that dislike for them. And when their keeper is the wee boy from This Is England, you can’t really wish ill on him.

I still have the rivalry where it’s good fun seeing England lose, but it’s nothing more than that. Gareth Southgate seems like a decent guy who has done well to prove himself as England manager after his penalty miss all those years ago, so I’ve got respect for him. Credit where it’s due, he’s got a young team playing good football and that should be applauded.

Great post, well thought out constructive comments, agree with all you say.

[superfurryhibby]

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Yip it is high sorry!
Very good sides win trophies
They play exciting entertaining attractive attacking football
Have superstar household names in every position
Pele called it the beautiful game for a reason
England grind out results
In the last World Cup England picked the easiest route to the last four and had a club spirit about them but that spirit was not good enough
Harry Kane looked as though he was not fully fit in the latter stages of the tournament
Very good sides do not rely on one player
Their recent results are to be applauded against Spain and Croatia but I still cannot see them winning any major tournaments anytime soon

That’s a wee bit narrow in terms of qualifyin* criteria Billy.

The Dutch of 74 and 78 are widely recognised as having been a top quality side, they won nothing. Platini’s French side and the Brazil side of 1982 were both tremendously talented failures.

Equally there have been sides that have won tournaments that could never be regarded as playing entertaining, attractice, attacking football. Several German World Cup winning sides, The Greek and Danish Euro winning sides spring to mind ( keep in mind that the Danes won three games to win the tournament).

You can only beat what’s in front of you, etc, etc. This England team has potential to win a tournament, it would be daft to deny the possibility.

Still A.B.E forever and finding it bizarre that some people on here don’t recognise sporting rivalry. I don’t hate them, nor do I hate Hearts/ Hun, but I nearly always want them to lose. What’s the difference?

Ps: I wanted Hearts to win the 98 cup final, mostly because my only Jambo mate is a good lad...there, I’ve said it

[JeMeSouviens]

We've obviously been over this a million times but ... it's our problem not theirs. We need our own media so we can watch world cup games between Holland and Brazil and spend the whole game talking about Gemmill & Narey.