When newspapers take political positions then there are always people who will be happy to see them gone. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If the Daily Mail shut down tomorrow I would be delighted and not give a 2nd thought to anyone who worked there as they are there everyday doing something I fundamentally disagree with. I’ll be happy that they are about to get a new less hateful job and I’ll wish them well in their new life.
We have almost full employment so their staff will quickly find new employment.
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Thread: Evening News and Scotsman
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17-11-2018 08:44 AM #31
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17-11-2018 08:45 AM #32
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It had a broad editorial range as well from Massie through to the late great Ian Bell. Enter Andra Neil who at the behest of the odious Barclay brothers spiked any articles by the likes of Lesley Riddoch, and that balanced reporting that was the Scotsman's strong suit (IMO) was gone.
Last time I read it the letters page was full of ex-army colonels and retired GPs with Perthshire and Morningside addresses barking at the moon.
I think its circulation of actual bought copies had dropped to around 14,000 a day?
As others have said though, as usual it's the workers that will suffer, and if there is a £40m hole in the pension fund then the directors should be held legally accountable for that.Last edited by Scotty Leither; 17-11-2018 at 08:56 AM.
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17-11-2018 09:23 AM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Or the reality may be that any kind of job uncertainty, especially close to the end of the year, can have a devastating impact on the employees and their families.
It's ironic given how often I get accused of being a Tory or a right-wing roaster (I'm neither btw - although I'll take the roaster bit) that this might be the first time I've ever thought 'FFS, he sounds like a particularly extreme Tory' about a poster.
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17-11-2018 09:24 AM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It looks like the major shareholder isn't happy -
https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/statu...25790762799105
Like many others I stopped buying the Scotsman years ago due to their lies and political bias. The Scotsman was one of the many reasons I started reading on-line journalism as I knew I couldn't trust the papers I had been paying for.
This looks like itis just a pre-pack to dump the debts (including pension liabilities) and restart with the same old bias.
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17-11-2018 09:27 AM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2018 09:28 AM #36
I’ve never liked the Scotsman, but the Evening News was a tradition for a huge number of people including me growing up. I used to deliver it when I was at school and I used to buy it every night as an adult. I remember looking out my bedroom window on a Saturday after the game to see the pink getting delivered and rushing down to get one.
It’s quite sad that it turned into the awful newspaper that it has. It comes out in the morning and has not been printed in this area for years. It’s not just the sport that went downhill it’s everything about it. Hopefully it can be saved and people don’t lose their jobs, but I won’t be rushing to buy it anytime soon.
United we stand here....
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17-11-2018 09:29 AM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I never read the News of the World but cant say I was clamouring for it to be shut down.
Newspaper sales are probably declining everywhere but hopefully there will still be decent journalism in digital and tv.
I think it’s really important, especially with things like Brexit and Trump to tackle.
Football reporting is almost irrelevant due to social media and the tv exposure.
I get most of my Hibs news on here and only ever check the EEN website if it’s linked from here.
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17-11-2018 09:35 AM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2018 09:37 AM #39
The Scotsman has turned into an ultra Unionist meeting point, with rabid anti-Scottish, too wee and too stupid articles and comments.
If they do start up again under new ownership, I'd hope they do something about their editorial views and that nutters the frequent the comments section.
The Evening News is the home of Banderson, so enuf said about that.
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17-11-2018 09:42 AM #40
Last time I looked the Scotsman had columns by Lesley Riddoch, Joyce McMillan, Kenny McAskill and Dani Garivelli, none of whom are unionist stooges.
And if it's acceptable to have pro-independence papers then we need pro-union papers for balance. Both sides need held to account and politicians are too busy with petty point scoring to do that.
Personally I'll continue to look for news from both sides because I'm not narrow minded enough to close my ears to what I don't agree with.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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17-11-2018 09:45 AM #41
With a bit of luck the written weegia will be closely behind going t*ts up.
Time to celebrate the demise of the written press, good *** riddance.
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Think this graphic says a lot-
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17-11-2018 09:45 AM #43
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Interesting how many nats are crowing at the possibility of fellow Scots being thrown out of work.You can only work here if you agree with us eh?
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17-11-2018 09:47 AM #44
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What do people mean when they say the group is ditching its pension liabilities ?
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17-11-2018 09:51 AM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Off to do some gardening!
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17-11-2018 09:59 AM #46This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2018 10:05 AM #47
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17-11-2018 10:14 AM #48
Is the Pension Protection Fund effectively a taxpayer bail out, or do the contributions made to it by schemes while they are operating enough to let the Fund itself borrow what it needs to pay out?
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17-11-2018 10:18 AM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I totally agree.
Balanced reporting would be a very good start. They could take a tip from the Herald, who seem to report politics in a reasonably fair way.
Incidentally, they also have incredibly good articles on non OF teams, and I've read some gems related to Hibs recently.
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17-11-2018 10:19 AM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
No, the viewpoint has generally been a complaint about biased reporting. I can't argue with that.
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17-11-2018 10:29 AM #53
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With their track record on reporting on independence I'll be cracking open a beer in celebration of this development.
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17-11-2018 10:32 AM #54
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Feel bad for the staff and don't think either the Scotsman or Evening News are as bad as some on here are suggesting.
But ultimately like others our family used to get the Scotsman every day but haven't done so in years due to the general move online and also its decreasing quality. At this point I'm not sure what it wants to be - a high quality broadsheet or a click bait tabloid?
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17-11-2018 10:55 AM #55
There's been a steady decline in quality and quantity for years. The EEN is little more than a leaflet padded out with adverts now. Everyone I know who still buys it give the same answer when you ask why: 'for the deaths'.
That sums up at least part of the problem.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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17-11-2018 10:57 AM #56
If this was about the Michelin plant closing in Dundee it would rightly all be about how bad it is for the local economy, the workers affected, their families and the local supply chain. This is no different. And people are going to have their pensions plundered, just think about that. How would you feel if your pension was being smashed and the response was 'meh, it's a price worth paying'?
I'm about as anti-Nat as it's possible to be - both on independence and on the performance of the Nats in running Scotland over the last 11 years - but if The National folded I'd think it was a bad day for our press in Scotland. Not perhaps, in my view, for journalistic standards but certainly for the notion of a plural media where democratic debate is supported by a range of opinion. The Scotsman does feature a wide range of contributors from people of both independence and union perspectives as others have already said and I'm not sure that the National does that. And anything that would leave us more dependent upon the tender mercies of the Red Tops for printed press new has to be a bad thing.
It was important enough for Salmond in a previous life to want to try to lead a consortium to take it over too and while I'm not naive about his then motive with that it does speak to the importance of the paper.
It's not clear either how it helps in the wooing stakes for pro-indy people to be gloating over its demise (though it looks to me more like a reinvention than a closing of doors) but in political terms that's their call.
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17-11-2018 11:47 AM #58
Absolutely no sympathy for the demise of this paper. It’s been pushing, anti-Scottish propaganda for years. I’m sure the green-ink gang will be scrambling to find a foothold elsewhere, but given its recent circulation was lower than the Courier (i.e. <14K), I doubt it will be missed by anyone other than the smattering of pensioners that still support its existence.
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17-11-2018 12:24 PM #59This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2018 12:25 PM #60This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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