Winter transfer thread - repetitive discussion only (hardly any transfer news)

[CMurdoch]

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Spend some of the McGinn and Murray money. Really not that much in the grand scheme of things.

We have spent a few bob this season. I would guess as follows:
Milligan, I suspect would have been given a healthy signing on fee and be on a good wage - worth every penny
Mallan, £150k and a decent wage - worth it for the goals, working hard to improve his overall game
Horgan, £150k and a decent wage - jury still out
Kamberi, £100k - worth it
Bogdan - a healthy loan fee - worth every penny
MacLaren, a healthy loan fee - not worth it so far but will turn it around
Angepong, loan fee - not worth it to date due to injuries but lets get him fit before judging
Two full backs in on short term contracts - wages

I think you will agree a lot of fees and wages paid to the above. Ball park figure, £1 million.
Suspect we will pay the same out next summer as the rebuild is completed, post McGinn, McGeouch and Allan.
No chance we would pay more than £200k for a player, we simply can't afford it.
The club has never been healthier and the bean counters will hopefully keep it that way.

[MWHIBBIES]

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And that's why we will never reach our full potential as a club. As long as the bean counters are more interested in the accounts than the playing side of things, things won't change. Gauld would be a massive signing and a huge show of intent by the club.

You're just blurting things out without any facts or logic.

[DetroitHibs]

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You're just blurting things out without any facts or logic.

Here's a fact for you. This has been our league form in the top flight with Petrie and co at the helm.

1999-2000 6th
2000-2001 3rd
2001-2002 10th
2002-2003 7th
2003-2004 8th
2004-2005 3rd
2005-2006 4th
2006-2007 6th
2007-2008 6th
2008-2009 6th
2009-2010 4th
2010-2011 10th
2011-2012 11th
2012-2013 7th
2013-2014 11th relegated
2017-2018 4th

Probably the third or forth most supported club in the league, yet we average as a bottom six club. Feel free to bury your head in the sand like all the others on here, but the facts are poor choices and penny pinching has resulted in mediocrity. How long do you give the current lot to get it right, another 20 years?

[BILLYHIBS]

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We have spent a few bob this season. I would guess as follows:
Milligan, I suspect would have been given a healthy signing on fee and be on a good wage - worth every penny
Mallan, £150k and a decent wage - worth it for the goals, working hard to improve his overall game
Horgan, £150k and a decent wage - jury still out
Kamberi, £100k - worth it
Bogdan - a healthy loan fee - worth every penny
MacLaren, a healthy loan fee - not worth it so far but will turn it around
Angepong, loan fee - not worth it to date due to injuries but lets get him fit before judging
Two full backs in on short term contracts - wages

I think you will agree a lot of fees and wages paid to the above. Ball park figure, £1 million.
Suspect we will pay the same out next summer as the rebuild is completed, post McGinn, McGeouch and Allan.
No chance we would pay more than £200k for a player, we simply can't afford it.
The club has never been healthier and the bean counters will hopefully keep it that way.

According to your logic then that would rule out a move for Scott Allan or is that perhaps part of the reason the deal did not go through in the summer?

[DetroitHibs]

Actually embarrassing that a club who's average crowd is over 15,000 and played in Europe can't or won't spend more than £200,000.

[Bay Area Hibees]

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Actually embarrassing that a club who's average crowd is over 15,000 and played in Europe can't or won't spend more than £200,000.

Why is it embarrassing?

Attendance and ST sales clearly matter but beyond that we are reliant on tv money and that's paltry in relative terms.

If we invest against income or assets we will carry high debt.

Sadly there's no major upside in attendances nor TV money so unless we find a benefactor(s) it's the only sensible way to run the club.

I suspect your frustration is the same factor that will lead to NL leaving us, well that's not exactly visionary as it's quite obvious.

GGTTH

[DetroitHibs]

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Why is it embarrassing?

Attendance and ST sales clearly matter but beyond that we are reliant on tv money and that's paltry in relative terms.

If we invest against income or assets we will carry high debt.

Sadly there's no major upside in attendances nor TV money so unless we find a benefactor(s) it's the only sensible way to run the club.

I suspect your frustration is the same factor that will lead to NL leaving us, well that's not exactly visionary as it's quite obvious.

GGTTH

It's been proven, put a successful team on the park and attendances will go up. Our season ticket sales the past two seasons have been record numbers, all on the back of a Scottish Cup win. I'm not saying go spend millions and millions, but spending £400,000-£500,000 on a marquee signing everyone once in a while should be doable. I don't think the board match the expectations of the fans.

We had decent money come in through a few different avenues this season. If we'd invested a bit more heavily in the squad it would have made a big difference. We notoriously wait until the last minute to sign players and that affects these players getting a proper preseason under there belts. Had we kept the momentum going and been pressing for a top three finish and Europe, season ticket sales would have gone up even further.

Lennon twice has been denied players after coming out in the past two windows and not getting the extra players he feels needed. If he leaves and we slide down the table, watch those season ticket sales fall off a cliff. All the momentum gone. The facts are staring you in the face. This current board of directors have FAILED to deliver when it comes to the league. Relegation twice and three years in the first division. That's a joke for a club our size.

[Ryan69]

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According to your logic then that would rule out a move for Scott Allan or is that perhaps part of the reason the deal did not go through in the summer?

Allans contract is up in the summer,so precontract...or small fee(less than 200k)

[Heisenberg]

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It's been proven, put a successful team on the park and attendances will go up. Our season ticket sales the past two seasons have been record numbers, all on the back of a Scottish Cup win. I'm not saying go spend millions and millions, but spending £400,000-£500,000 on a marquee signing everyone once in a while should be doable. I don't think the board match the expectations of the fans.

We had decent money come in through a few different avenues this season. If we'd invested a bit more heavily in the squad it would have made a big difference. We notoriously wait until the last minute to sign players and that affects these players getting a proper preseason under there belts. Had we kept the momentum going and been pressing for a top three finish and Europe, season ticket sales would have gone up even further.

Lennon twice has been denied players after coming out in the past two windows and not getting the extra players he feels needed. If he leaves and we slide down the table, watch those season ticket sales fall off a cliff. All the momentum gone. The facts are staring you in the face. This current board of directors have FAILED to deliver when it comes to the league. Relegation twice and three years in the first division. That's a joke for a club our size.

I wonder how hysterical you’ll become if we are still 8th at the end of the season. Absolutely crazy that these kinds of posts are surfacing after a small part of the season is done.

The board backed the manager in the summer. No doubt about it. Did he spend wisely? The jury is out on quite a few of them but i’ll give them time.

[DetroitHibs]

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I wonder how hysterical you’ll become if we are still 8th at the end of the season. Absolutely crazy that these kinds of posts are surfacing after a small part of the season is done.

The board backed the manager in the summer. No doubt about it. Did he spend wisely? The jury is out on quite a few of them but i’ll give them time.

I'm not hysterical, simply stating that this board has been a failure. Keep burying your head in the sand though

[Diclonius]

The money lost through league positions, cup exits, decreased attendance as a result of signing cheaper players than Allan (Hyndman, whoever replaces him) may well be £200,000 or close to that anyway.

[Heisenberg]

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I'm not hysterical, simply stating that this board has been a failure. Keep burying your head in the sand though

This board? You mean since Leeann Dempster came in? Because I couldn’t disagree more. If you mean before she came in then you have a point.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Allans contract is up in the summer,so precontract...or small fee(less than 200k)

Celtic say he can leave in January for £250000

[DetroitHibs]

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This board? You mean since Leeann Dempster came in? Because I couldn’t disagree more. If you mean before she came in then you have a point.

Dempster doesn't run things. She might have a seat at the table, but Petrie is still in the background negotiating the deals and wages.

[PatHead]

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Dempster doesn't run things. She might have a seat at the table, but Petrie is still in the background negotiating the deals and wages.

Absolute rubbish.

You really do Leeann a dis-service saying that. There is no way Leeann would allow her position to be undermined by Rod.

[DetroitHibs]

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Absolute rubbish.

You really do Leeann a dis-service saying that. There is no way Leeann would allow her position to be undermined by Rod.

Yet she is and he still pulls the strings. He's at the board meetings, he's on the pay roll and he still makes the final decision.

[PatHead]

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Yet she is and he still pulls the strings. He's at the board meetings, he's on the pay roll and he still makes the final decision.

Not worth debating with you other than to say he is not on the payroll. He receives no income from Hibs and has one voice at board meetings.

[JimBHibees]

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I'm not hysterical, simply stating that this board has been a failure. Keep burying your head in the sand though

The current Board has been IMO hugely successful in terms of on field activity and probably more important off field in terms of the engagement with the fans and community resulting in the best attendances in the ground in my lifetime and let that be known that is a long time. The persevered tour was a tremendous thing to do on the back of the cup win for example.

[DetroitHibs]

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The current Board has been IMO hugely successful in terms of on field activity and probably more important off field in terms of the engagement with the fans and community resulting in the best attendances in the ground in my lifetime and let that be known that is a long time. The persevered tour was a tremendous thing to do on the back of the cup win for example.

Yet league positions over the past 20 something years say otherwise. Two relegations and an average bottom six club, if you deem that "hugely successful" fair enough.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yet she is and he still pulls the strings. He's at the board meetings, he's on the pay roll and he still makes the final decision.

He gets no salary from the club.

Can you answer my previous question?

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[Heisenberg]

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Yet league positions over the past 20 something years say otherwise. Two relegations and an average bottom six club, if you deem that "hugely successful" fair enough.

We are talking about the current board, which includes Leeann Dempster as the chief exec. Since she’s come in the club and it’s board of directors have definitely been hugely successful.

[J-C]

Leeann and Craig between them find the players and negotiate the deals, it's still up to the board to sign them off and Petrie is still on that board. Things have been so much better since the relegation and our new set up but we still don't pay silly money or silly wages for anyone and at tmes I'm glad of that because we know our club is being run properly.

[Brightside]

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Dempster doesn't run things. She might have a seat at the table, but Petrie is still in the background negotiating the deals and wages.

Not another one. Jesus.

[SaulGoodman]

Come on DetroitHibs I’ve already got “Bury your head in the sand” I just need “Accepting Mediocrity” and that’s me got a full house on my Hibs.net Bingo board

[Smartie]

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Come on DetroitHibs I’ve already got “Bury your head in the sand” I just need “Accepting Mediocrity” and that’s me got a full house on my Hibs.net Bingo board

I'll take a "reach the next level" thanks.

[brog]

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We have spent a few bob this season. I would guess as follows:
Milligan, I suspect would have been given a healthy signing on fee and be on a good wage - worth every penny
Mallan, £150k and a decent wage - worth it for the goals, working hard to improve his overall game
Horgan, £150k and a decent wage - jury still out
Kamberi, £100k - worth it
Bogdan - a healthy loan fee - worth every penny
MacLaren, a healthy loan fee - not worth it so far but will turn it around
Angepong, loan fee - not worth it to date due to injuries but lets get him fit before judging
Two full backs in on short term contracts - wages

I think you will agree a lot of fees and wages paid to the above. Ball park figure, £1 million.
Suspect we will pay the same out next summer as the rebuild is completed, post McGinn, McGeouch and Allan.
No chance we would pay more than £200k for a player, we simply can't afford it.
The club has never been healthier and the bean counters will hopefully keep it that way.

Very good analysis but perhaps surprisingly my info is that your comment in bold is incorrect. I believe that 1, probably 2 of our recent signings will be expected to cost in excess of £200k eventually if all conditions are met. Even more surprisingly I believe wages all round have gone up considerably & a few of our players are now on very competitive (by Scottish standards) salaries. There is of course a correlation between transfer fee paid & wages paid so where we pay a fee, we expect/hope to be able to make a potential profit in the long term. Effectively we're doing pretty much everything Detroit wants. Personally I blame Petrie.

[Diclonius]

Tom Eaves sounds decent.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

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Tom Eaves sounds decent.

Until he needs dropping?

[Spudster]

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I'm not saying go spend millions and millions, but spending £400,000-£500,000 on a marquee signing everyone once in a while should be doable. I don't think the board match the expectations of the fans.

Last player I can think of to sign for that money outside the old firm was Stevie May for Aberdeen at 450. If you thought he was mince against us a few weeks back you may have noticed he got a standing ovation from them, that was comfortably his best performance at Aberdeen. Spending money doesn’t necessarily mean a quality player.

[CMurdoch]

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Very good analysis but perhaps surprisingly my info is that your comment in bold is incorrect. I believe that 1, probably 2 of our recent signings will be expected to cost in excess of £200k eventually if all conditions are met. Even more surprisingly I believe wages all round have gone up considerably & a few of our players are now on very competitive (by Scottish standards) salaries. There is of course a correlation between transfer fee paid & wages paid so where we pay a fee, we expect/hope to be able to make a potential profit in the long term. Effectively we're doing pretty much everything Detroit wants. Personally I blame Petrie.

I agree. Barnsley for example will have clauses in Mallans contract which could take the transfer fee over £200k if he is sold on at a profit and the likes of Milligan and other players will be on a good wedge by Scottish standards.

I was just making a point to Detroit Hibs that our club spent a lot of money (for us) last summer and I expect a repeat next summer.

To me the guy is trolling, a yam or simply doesn't understand how financially strapped Scottish clubs are. Did he see, for example, that all Scottish Clubs outside the old firm where blown out the water by Burton Albion when Liam Boyce, a proven goalscorer, was available 2 seasons ago. Burton bloody Albion!

2020 will see extra TV money in the Scottish game. Not a massive amount but even an extra £500k (uneducated guess) every season for us will help massively. A few seasons after that and our £500k a year payments to Tom Farmer will stop. Those 2 things combined could see us with an extra £1 million a season to spend, every season.

I think our board are doing just fine and i will be happy with a 5th place league finish this season and 3rd next season after completing our team rebuild next summer.