Mallan and Maclaren

[EH54]

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I find it strange people saying Maclaren isn't good enough because he does nothing outside the box yet Cummings done nothing outside the box and only had one foot.JM has not been fully fit for a while but I'm sure he will come good given time .Only my opinion

Cummings hold up play was much better. His last season he was scoring free kicks and taking set pieces etc so he was adding to his game. He was also a character, much rather have Cummings back if the opportunity arose.

[SideBurns]

After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

[LaMotta]

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Being an international footballer means absolutely nothing when they’re not contributing enough at club level. We’ve had stacks of internationals come through our door who have been absolutely rotten. If that’s the standard of player you want in our team then bash on.

I can assure you - for the second time - I know exactly what nowhere near good enough means. And Slivka and Hyndman are nowhere near the standard required at Hibs based on the evidence they’ve provided and both look totally out their depth.

Agree 100 percent (sadly). Its not extreme nonsense what you are saying.

Claiming that a couple of decent ( not outstanding) performances in the space of 15 months, against 10 man Rangers, and 2 of the poorest Premiership teams in recent years are signs that a player is making a great contribution to Hibs is straw clutching at its best and "laughable" at worst.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Agree 100 percent (sadly). Its not extreme nonsense what you are saying.

Claiming that a couple of decent ( not outstanding) performances in the space of 15 months, against 10 man Rangers, and 2 of the poorest Premiership teams in recent years are signs that a player is making a great contribution to Hibs is straw clutching at its best and "laughable" at worst.

Who claimed that?

I suggested that he has problems with consistency. And injuries. And being in and out of the team and being played in the wrong position.

When he plays well in the right position he is clearly good enough.

[LaMotta]

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Who claimed that?

I suggested that he has problems with consistency. And injuries. And being in and out of the team and being played in the wrong position.

When he plays well in the right position he is clearly good enough.

Clearly good enough for what? A middle of the road Scottish premiership team? Well thats what we look like right now so you could be right.

And all this "out of position" nonsense needs to stop. He has looked equally average no matter where he has played.

The reason he has been in and out the team and playing in different positions is because he hasnt really grasped his opprtunity at any point.

Why is Lennon picking him sometimes? Sadly we dont have better right now to choose from.

[BILLYHIBS]

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After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

[Bristolhibby]

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Can we add a thread slating Boyle too ? Add a bit of Efe bombscare, Daz is finished, Mallan only scores and takes sets pieces and Lennon is tactically inept and we have the perfect Hibs net storm.

Oh aye, forget to have a swipe at the fans for not backing HSL and whilst we’re at it, and some on here truly are, we can chuck in away tickets, seagulls, food, tannoy.

I wish we were Tom Kite and then we wouldn’t have to worry about being Tom Kite.

Don’t forget Lewis, he’s always worth having a go at.

J

[BILLYHIBS]

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Don’t forget Lewis, he’s always worth having a go at.

J

Yip! My laddie said he was getting it tight by some fans up at Aberdeen on Friday

[JimBHibees]

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After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

A bit of context and perspective praise the lord.

Time to support the team and manager very easy to be a fan when winning the best fans support when in a ropey patch like now rather than criticising everything.

[matty_f]

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After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

Excellent post.

[blackpoolhibs]

Can we keep this thread, and add to it as the weeks go on?

[One Day Soon]

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After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

Excellent post. An antidote to some of the miserably negative crap posted recently.

[DetroitHibs]

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Can we keep this thread, and add to it as the weeks go on?

Sure we can. Watched the game and again I think both players starting weakens the team overall.

[cleanyman]

Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.

[calumhibee1]

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Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.

I worry about a skelping at Ibrox. They’ve been pretty good there.

[DetroitHibs]

Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.

[jacomo]

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Both average

Things will get interesting as soon as we get a pasting off Rangers. Folk have their heads in the sand.

Heads in the sand about what?

Really, honestly, the hysteria on here is too much at times.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Based on this season, I'd be starting Shaw up front with Flo. Lad is stronger, has a better touch and adds more to our game.

Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts

[The Leith Dutch]

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If we dont have a poacher type striker we get posts all the time saying we need one, when we do have one we get posts like this saying they are useless.

Mallan didn't play well against Aberdeen or St Johstone, he almost scored twice vs hearts in a game that a red card changed completely.

Players will always have off days, supporters should support them for the long haul, that's why football is judged over a whole season and not 1 or 2 games.

You can add to that crying out for width for years and now complaining that they wingers we have aren't tough tackling enough.

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After our 4th win on the bounce a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a growing consensus that we were getting the balance right in midfield with Milligan anchoring and the likes of Mallan, Hyndman, Slivka & Horgan
showing inventiveness and a goal threat. Unfortunately, injuries in defence since then has seen Milligan moved back and forth and that seems to have disturbed the consistency we were starting to achieve.

No-one could argue results or performances recently have been good, but to apply some perspective: we were roundly praised for our attacking approach at Celtic Park; usual scrappy derby at Tynie, and did well in the end to get a point with 10 men; poor at home to in-form St.J but it was one of those 'first goal the winner' games which they grabbed right at the end; and a slim defeat at Pittodrie in dreadful conditions, which was caused by a defensive mistake followed by a brilliant finish. Narrow margins.

It hasn't been much fun, but I recall being 3-0 down to Hamilton & Aberdeen last season when we still had SJM & Dylan - both games were over with long periods still to play. We've stayed in the game during our recent loss of form but just haven't showed the quality required in the final third. We need to do better but a lot of players who were playing well and receiving praise last month (or, in Maclaren's case, last season when he was banging in goals v The Huns, Jambos & Celtic) are being written off by some fans. They might be proved right, but now is surely not the time to decide these players aren't good enough.

Nice balanced post that actually addresses what went on in some very different games.
Doubt anybody is happy with the results right now but we're not suddenly a terrible team.

[DetroitHibs]

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Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts

Shaw has 8 league appearances, 2 goals and 1 assist. Maclaren has 9 league appearances and 1 goal, 0 assists. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me Shaw adds more to the team.

[calumhibee1]

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Pecking Order:
Jamie Mac
A N Other
Gullan
Allan Lewis
Allan Scott
Shaw Olly
Flos own place starting to come under scrutiny by all accounts

Flo at the very bottom of the pecking order? And two players we don’t have in A N Other and Scott Allan above him?

[BILLYHIBS]

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Flo at the very bottom of the pecking order? And two players we don’t have in A N Other and Scott Allan above him?

No! Please read again I never said Flo at the bottom of the pecking order I said questions being asked about his position
My point is it would appear that players that are not even at the club are ahead of Olly he is that far out of the picture
He needs a break needs it soon and needs to take it similar to our big mate Slivka
Lots of games coming up let’s see what happens
Fingers crossed 😁

[JimBHibees]

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I worry about a skelping at Ibrox. They’ve been pretty good there.

Why are we worrying about a game in 6 games or so time. The bed wetting on hear is incredible. Bet you are scared to open your curtains in the morning.

[calumhibee1]

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Why are we worrying about a game in 6 games or so time. The bed wetting on hear is incredible. Bet you are scared to open your curtains in the morning.

😂 dry yer eyes. I was replying to a previous post in the thread. All I was saying is that’s Rangers - whether we like to admit it or not - have been superb at home. Scored 29 goals in 8 games and won 7 out of 8 with a draw against a very good Killie team the only blot on their record. We could be in for a very hard time when we go to Ibrox. Seeing as you seem to be the forum police, what games are we allowed to talk about? You’ll have a meltdown when you hear anyone mention the next derby or the next transfer window which has been mentioned a lot recently, they’re even further away 👍🏼

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No! Please read again I never said Flo at the bottom of the pecking order I said questions being asked about his position
My point is it would appear that players that are not even at the club are ahead of Olly he is that far out of the picture
He needs a break needs it soon and needs to take it similar to our big mate Slivka
Lots of games coming up let’s see what happens
Fingers crossed 😁

Apologies, must be the way it appeared on my phone. Looked like a list with Flo at the bottom 👍🏼

[BILLYHIBS]

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Shaw has 8 league appearances, 2 goals and 1 assist. Maclaren has 9 league appearances and 1 goal, 0 assists. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me Shaw adds more to the team.

Sorry Shaw has never improved for me has stood still has not progressed at the same rate as say young Porteous
Too easily knocked off the ball missed chances he would be expected to score wrong choices and lost opportunities
Subsequently dropped
Has bags of potential but so far unfulfilled
Needs to bulk up needs a break and simply must grab it with both hands
I fear for him

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Sorry Shaw has never improved for me has stood still has not progressed at the same rate as say young Porteous
Too easily knocked off the ball missed chances he would be expected to score wrong choices and lost opportunities
Subsequently dropped
Has bags of potential but so far unfulfilled
Needs to bulk up needs a break and simply must grab it with both hands
I fear for him

Would agree with that regarding Shaw. Don’t think he’s at the stage of his development yet to be challenging for a start.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Apologies, must be the way it appeared on my phone. Looked like a list with Flo at the bottom 👍🏼

Haha!
I see it now
Sorry Shaw at the bottom
The boy needs a break before the break and simply must seize the moment