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    Why are we signing short-term jersey fillers?

    The two guys Mavrias and Nelom i don't think have played sixty minutes combined between the two of them. Would we not have been better spending one wage on another striker or a midfield player that links the play up?

    I may be paraphrasing her, but did Leeann Dempster not say we wanted two players for every position? If that's the case, then when we have injuries, the manager would replace like-for-like with the new signings, rather than 're-casting the whole defence, which seems to be the way we've approached the whole of the season thus far.

    If these guys aren't good enough to step straight in, then they shouldn't be getting signed...it's redolent of selling Kevin Thomson and then signing the likes of Paddy Cregg, Joe Keenan, et al. Purely a numbers game to stop the natives getting restless...does the club not set its sights a bit higher these days?

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    The two guys Mavrias and Nelom i don't think have played sixty minutes combined between the two of them. Would we not have been better spending one wage on another striker or a midfield player that links the play up?

    I may be paraphrasing her, but did Leeann Dempster not say we wanted two players for every position? If that's the case, then when we have injuries, the manager would replace like-for-like with the new signings, rather than 're-casting the whole defence, which seems to be the way we've approached the whole of the season thus far.

    If these guys aren't good enough to step straight in, then they shouldn't be getting signed...it's redolent of selling Kevin Thomson and then signing the likes of Paddy Cregg, Joe Keenan, et al. Purely a numbers game to stop the natives getting restless...does the club not set its sights a bit higher these days?

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    Add to the list Eardley, Eckersley, Rherras and several other wastes of wages.

    Not convinced by our much vaunted recruitment team.

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    Methinks the wage cap is still very much in play.

    The Aberdeen programme tonight actually listed all the "ins" and "outs" at Easter Road since the summer, and we're actually down on numbers (and quality) since last season; tellingly two of our highest earners in Mcginn and Mcgeough left, so surely we've a surplus in wages too, along with the big transfer fees and season ticket sales?

    If these guys I've mentioned leave in January having hardly kicked a ball in earnest, then serious questions need asked of our recruitment team/Board as to what our signing policy actually is?

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    Methinks the wage cap is still very much in play.

    The Aberdeen programme tonight actually listed all the "ins" and "outs" at Easter Road since the summer, and we're actually down on numbers (and quality) since last season; tellingly two of our highest earners in Mcginn and Mcgeough left, so surely we've a surplus in wages too, along with the big transfer fees and season ticket sales?

    If these guys I've mentioned leave in January having hardly kicked a ball in earnest, then serious questions need asked of our recruitment team/Board as to what our signing policy actually is?
    Now we are back in the premier league, and stable again the foot can come off the peddle. We settle for mediocrity, always have, always will.

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    Under this board we will never go anywhere. It's been the same every single season. There's a reason we constantly have "undisclosed" transfer fees. The board don't want to see exactly what we bring in compared to the cheap fees we pay. Lennon should have had two million to invest in the squad, but ended up with peanuts. Take a look at all our signings. We sign players that aren't good enough and can't get a game for there current clubs. The last time we actually signed a player that was flying and in form for his club was McGinn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHibs View Post
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    Under this board we will never go anywhere. It's been the same every single season. There's a reason we constantly have "undisclosed" transfer fees. The board don't want to see exactly what we bring in compared to the cheap fees we pay. Lennon should have had two million to invest in the squad, but ended up with peanuts. Take a look at all our signings. We sign players that aren't good enough and can't get a game for there current clubs. The last time we actually signed a player that was flying and in form for his club was McGinn.
    So by that reasoning you wouldn’t want us signing Scott Allan?

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    So by that reasoning you wouldn’t want us signing Scott Allan?
    Use some common sense. We know what Scott Allan can do in a Hibs shirt, of course I'd want us to sign Scott Allan. Also I didn't say anywhere that we shouldn't sign players that don't get a game or play for there clubs. I just think a club with our size and stauture should be looking to sign players that are good quality players and are on the up from there current clubs, not the opposite. Reason why we don't is because we'd have to pay a decent transfer fee, and as history goes, Rod and Co don't like paying transfer fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
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    So by that reasoning you wouldn’t want us signing Scott Allan?
    Or Kamberi or Efe or Mallan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EH54 View Post
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    Now we are back in the premier league, and stable again the foot can come off the peddle. We settle for mediocrity, always have, always will.
    That’s it there

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    Quote Originally Posted by EH54 View Post
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    Now we are back in the premier league, and stable again the foot can come off the peddle. We settle for mediocrity, always have, always will.
    In one.

    We only spend when there's an imminent threat of long term loss of money. When we've got safe mid table prospects, it's back to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    In one.

    We only spend when there's an imminent threat of long term loss of money. When we've got safe mid table prospects, it's back to normal.
    Im not convinced its the budget thats the problem here. Last summer Lennon signed stokes , whittaker , swanson , slivka , murray ... with the exception of murray they were all signed on good money. Its the same this season , poor recruitment by the manager.

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    For me this season might be the one where our peak begin to comes back down. Scottish cup feeling can only hold fans for so long who didn’t have a season ticket before. A mediocre squad and a poor league finish will make sure there are no more record season tickets

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    Im not convinced its the budget thats the problem here. Last summer Lennon signed stokes , whittaker , swanson , slivka , murray ... with the exception of murray they were all signed on good money. Its the same this season , poor recruitment by the manager.
    Except for January this year I don’t think Lennon has actually ever used a window to improve our squad properly from what was there before.

    When he came in we signed Brian Graham and Shinnie. Neither really did it for us. Only Ofir and Holt we’re capable signings.

    Summer last year we signed Murray, Dave, Stokes, Slivka, Swanson, Whittaker, Efe was kept. Except from Efe the rest are either gone for being not good enough, or not contributing anything to making us a better team.

    We can’t continue to have shocking summer windows and go mad trying to fix it in January. We’re writing off half a season nearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    In one.

    We only spend when there's an imminent threat of long term loss of money. When we've got safe mid table prospects, it's back to normal.
    I don’t think Lennon would be here if that was the case.

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    We have invested though, around the amount - if not more- that you're asking. Horgan, Maclaren, Kamberi, Mallan all came with a fee this summer - all probably around the 200k mark, so c£800k was spent in the summer as you've requested. We're also going to be paying reasonable wages to these players and a few others.

    We don't finish each financial year with millions of pounds worth of profit and think "ah we could have signed someone then" - we'll have a very detailed budgeting process and know what we can spend and do so aiming to break even - slightly over spending over the last few years. There isn't any long term solution there to simply spend more without ending up in trouble.

    Our stats looking poor from 2000 was bolstered significantly by taking players who were "doing well" at their current teams that weren't good enough and then them not finding that next gear at Hibs - Craig, Robertson, Nelson, Nish, Heffernan, Van Zantan, John Rankin, Clancy, Cairney, Maybury. They're not all players that done awful at Hibs, but I'd rather have the McGeoch, Mallan, Kamberi, Ambrose, Stokes, Henderson, Cummings, etc who aren't able to get a game for their current clubs.

    The team that done well recently only really had McGinn as a player that you've rightly pointed out was doing well and then came to Hibs and pushed on - the others were struggling at their teams or came through our youth. The last time we had a good run 05-08ish was predominantly the same too, our own youth complimented with Jones, Boozy, Stewart, Zemmama, Benji, Stokes who don't fit into the model you've suggested.

    We've got the core of a good team at the moment, not every recruitment is going to be brilliant but I think we're more than capable of pushing on and gathering momentum in November and then tackling the "tougher" games in December with confidence. This team will end up in the right part of the table.
    Mon the Hibs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty Leither View Post
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    The two guys Mavrias and Nelom i don't think have played sixty minutes combined between the two of them. Would we not have been better spending one wage on another striker or a midfield player that links the play up?

    I may be paraphrasing her, but did Leeann Dempster not say we wanted two players for every position? If that's the case, then when we have injuries, the manager would replace like-for-like with the new signings, rather than 're-casting the whole defence, which seems to be the way we've approached the whole of the season thus far.

    If these guys aren't good enough to step straight in, then they shouldn't be getting signed...it's redolent of selling Kevin Thomson and then signing the likes of Paddy Cregg, Joe Keenan, et al. Purely a numbers game to stop the natives getting restless...does the club not set its sights a bit higher these days?
    Spot on

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    Spot on
    Worth noting that they are both full international players!

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    I’d like to see Nelom get a start, if fit, in our next game.

    I thought Stevenson played the best football of his career in the second half of last season. He has been nowhere near that level this season.

    I think we could do with freshening it up on that side of the park.

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    Maybe if our would be wealthy investors showed the same benevolence towrds the club as their equivalents at the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen then we could sign better than the jersey fillers?

    Talk is cheap, especially on here.

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