Lennon Resigning?

[Here’s Lucy!]

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Why? Don’t get that view point. Just because a thread isn’t all flowery and nice/positive doesn’t mean it should be shut down

Totally agree

[PatHead]

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IMO thread should be closed.. fake news(rumour)whatever you want to call it negative speculation after negative speculation?

Unfortunately I think there may be some truth in this. I hope he doesn't give in to the bigots or their supporters, and I will include the policeman and Caldwell in those people who are putting him under pressure.

[hibbydog]

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No ‘folk’ need to remember how big a club we are in the context of the league and country we’re in and that last season wasn’t the pinnacle of achievement but simply a restoration to at least where we should be all the time.

Think that’s fair. We’re a big club behind Celtic and Sevco, so we should be up there fighting for Europe. Lennon has got us back to where we should be.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I was just saying a few weeks ago how well Lennon was looking and that he seemed to be in a good place, I would still say the same right now but something has irked him, don't think it's the coin throwing incident, more to do with the abuse he is receiving from the stands and the backing he is not receiving from the club or the SPFL who runs the game, Caldwell and the ex police mans comments must have been a kick in the teeth to Lennon.

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[jacomo]

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Folk have very short memories

A poor start to the season would have been under Stubbs in Championship or under some of the post Collins numpties

Folk really need a reality check on where we come from.

And some folk just have a passive aggressive online persona I suppose?



I neither have a short memory, nor do I need a reality check.

The only point I was making was that we had a fairly slow start last season, and so a similar points haul at this stage is not marvellous.

I could write an essay explaining context (summary: Lennon has obviously done better in the League than Stubbs). Or I could just ask that you lighten up a bit, which would take a lot less time.

[we are hibs]

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Do you only look at the negatives in every aspect of life or simply Hibs?

Hyndman scored against Hamilton. Probably has a few assists as well.

Mallan has more goals than Allan, Mcginn and McGeouch got combined last season

Has Slivka actually had a bad game this season? He's been in strange positions, often on the bench but he's played well when he has played and our best 2 wins score wise (Dundee and Hamilton) had him playing very well. Totally changed the Asteras game when he came on as well.

Boyle played upfront because our 2 main strikers were injured or suspended. How many players do you actually except Hibs to have? What if we signed another striker and no one ever got injured so he never played? That seems like a good use of wages.

You said you didn't know who I was the other day so how would you know what my outlook on hibs or life is? Has slivka had a good game this season? What did he do against Hamilton and asteras that merits him playing well? Lennon hasn't helped by playing him out of position but when he's been played central he hasn't done himself any favours. I don't think it's unreasonable to have 4 strikers in a squad when we play with 2 up.

My bad on the Hyndman One, read a stat on Twitter from that agent Scotland the other day that he hadn't scored and assisted yet. Still hasn't done enough and doesn't do enough when he finds space.

[jacomo]

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Hyndman has scored one and been unlucky not to score more imo
But he has yet to impose himself and make himself a guaranteed starter Good Technical player but balance in Midfield wasn't right on Saturday and no one took the game by the scruff of the neck and drove us forward

Slivka should also do this more but seems unable to impose himself enough.

[Ozyhibby]

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No ‘folk’ need to remember how big a club we are in the context of the league and country we’re in and that last season wasn’t the pinnacle of achievement but simply a restoration to at least where we should be all the time.

I agree totally. I think since Petrie arrived we have only performed in line with our budget about 3 times in 19 years so people tend to think last years performance amazing. Fact is, it should happen much more frequently.
I totally back Lennon though.


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[Jones28]

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Slivka should also do this more but seems unable to impose himself enough.

Difficult to do that from the bench.

[we are hibs]

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Hibs net is a very polarising place and thank the lord it isn’t particularly reflective of the wider Hibs support.

There are a group of folk who revel in poor results and can’t wait to be all over here stirring ****, then there are the folk who take themselves and football too seriously and jump straight on the bandwagon. There is no reasoning with or persuading these folk.

We are less than a third of the way through the season. There are no consistent trends or patterns to emerge which would give any certainty as to how the season will end up.

We all know we lost three fantastic players, guys who were instrumental in creating such a dynamic side for the last half of the previous season. Anyone with half a brain knows that they were going to be hard, if not impossible to replace, especially on the funds available to the club. Just in case anyone doesn’t know, we have the fifth highest income in Scottish football.

I love football and always will. Hibs are my team and always will be. Sometimes we are good, mostly we are gash. I like it better when we are good.

I’m finding this place becoming something negative in my life and it’s probably time to step away. I’m reluctant, as like reading people’s views, even the ones I don’t agree with. However, this isn’t a healthy place.

Sometimes in life you have to just appreciate what you have. Lennon, warts and all, is a man who can deliver what Hibs need. Failure to recognise this astonishes me.

We have been consistently inconsistent so far this season..thats the problem. It also wasn't impossible to replace them on "our budget" after all we signed all 3 within a lower budget. People said we couldn't replace Allan 3 years ago and signed Henderson and mcginn. It's not impossible at all and we could have done a better job in the summer. People's refusal to recognise that is more astonishing

[Golden Bear]

Mallan, Slivka, Hyndman and Milligan looked the biz against Hamilton. More game time for these guys as a unit please!

[truehibernian]

My overall take on this is that when you look at Neil's 'actions' and the punishments he has received from the authorities, and thereafter look at what the authorities themselves are doing (or not doing) in relation to the main crux - abuse (physical, written and verbal) and religious bigotry - then you have to see it from his point of view. Here's a man who gets bans for performing an 'aeroplane' gesture yet the main men in charge do NOTHING to back him regards the abuse he gets constantly from the stands. Yes, you could argue he could rein it in (and I have) - but think about proportionality - when has Regan, Doncaster, McRae, etc. ever come out with statements against the bile that comes from the stands ? Ever ?

Michael Stewart was bang on at the weekend - enough is enough - and the powers that be need to come out and make a firm stand against it. Funny how Morelos was hit by a coin, after giving it the big cheese after scoring (why not, he's scored a cracker), yet there is not the same media furore ? Shocking he was struck by a coin, idiot fan yet again, but no real media fuss ? Is sectarianism and coin throwing now the social norm as far as the authorities are concerned ? Seems to be the case ! Do we decide who gets press and who doesn't ?

Websites such as Rangers Media should be shut down for a start - it peddles bile, bigotry and is allowed to stay online - why ? Surely the police and their 'Focus' officers see this and have an opinion ? It goes way beyond freedom of speech or expression - it's racial and religious hatred - full stop.

Enough is enough, Lennon is correct on that aspect. And he is getting zero support from the media and the powers that be. If society is to change it's moral compass we need a strong set of individuals in charge of the game with no agenda. Won't happen in my lifetime I reckon. Money and 'power' = keeping the status quo for many of these imbeciles in charge.

[JimboHibs]

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Hyndman and Slivka, on the whole, have failed to deliver and contribute significantly to the Hibs cause.

Sporadic bits of clever play here and there from each player is simply not good enough if we are to sustain a serious challenge for a top 4 placing.

Slivka, in particular, has been here far longer than Hyndeman and still we are waiting for him to deliver regular match-winning performances and to play to a high level consistently.

For me, he is no more than a squad filler - a neat and tidy player who can do an adequate wee job coming off the bench for the last 10 minutes of a game we have in the bag.

Thought this thread was about Lennon resigning?

[MWHIBBIES]

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You said you didn't know who I was the other day so how would you know what my outlook on hibs or life is? Has slivka had a good game this season? What did he do against Hamilton and asteras that merits him playing well? Lennon hasn't helped by playing him out of position but when he's been played central he hasn't done himself any favours. I don't think it's unreasonable to have 4 strikers in a squad when we play with 2 up.

My bad on the Hyndman One, read a stat on Twitter from that agent Scotland the other day that he hadn't scored and assisted yet. Still hasn't done enough and doesn't do enough when he finds space.

Was a general question because your post was unbelievably negative.

''Has Slivka had a good game this season?''

Show me you either don't attend or don't actually pay attention.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I agree totally. I think since Petrie arrived we have only performed in line with our budget about 3 times in 19 years so people tend to think last years performance amazing. Fact is, it should happen much more frequently.
I totally back Lennon though.


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You've got to give up the Petrie hating C.

In the last twenty years we have played well and succeeded under McLeish, Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon.

Our club has been in existence for nearly 150 years. We've won 20% of our trophies under the stewardship of RP, by your definition. That is success in relative terms.

We could do better, maybe should do better, but maybe expectations are out of kilter with reality?

And that then becomes a weapon to slate the ownership and management, made all the easier by throwaway vehicles like social media that create a narrative that isn't backed up by fact.

[MWHIBBIES]

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I agree totally. I think since Petrie arrived we have only performed in line with our budget about 3 times in 19 years so people tend to think last years performance amazing. Fact is, it should happen much more frequently.
I totally back Lennon though.


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What about the person who employs Petrie? Why is he never blamed?

[shetlandhibee]

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Why? Don’t get that view point. Just because a thread isn’t all flowery and nice/positive doesn’t mean it should be shut down

no all I said was IMO its a pretty poor attempt at fake news rumour ?and shouldn't get the pages it does(who said I heard from somebody that heard this and that?cmon?thats what I think!!)hence close the thread quote...

[Stuart93]

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no all I said was IMO its a pretty poor attempt at fake news rumour ?and shouldn't get the pages it does(who said I heard from somebody that heard this and that?cmon?thats what I think!!)hence close the thread quote...

It’s not fake news though, there’s substance in it which is what more than one usually reliable posters have said.

[ancient hibee]

Well can I say as a completely unreliable poster that I think it’s garbage.

[PatHead]

It isn’t garbage but isn’t definitely happening. Hopefully he just needs a cuddle and to know the club will back him in fighting abuse.

[adhibs]

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It isn’t garbage but isn’t definitely happening. Hopefully he just needs a cuddle and to know the club will back him in fighting abuse.

I wouldn't count on that unfortunately. Nearly a week and another fixture has passed since tynecastle, looks like theve hoped to get away with usual brushing it under the carpet.

[The_Horde]

Firstly, hopefully it's bull**** at this stage of the season..

Secondly though, i'd say he is replaceable. Yes league results at the end of last season were good but cup results have been iffy and our lack of wins in places like Perth, Aberdeen and Ross County have been poor with no signs of improvement either.

On top of this I trust Dempsters judgement 100%. If anyone will find the right person it's her.

[Libby Hibby]

If he goes, he goes.

I like Neil Lennon, I genuinely feel he is the best manager we have ever had but something just isn’t quite right at present.

I would really like him to be at ER for years but if he feels that he is better off away, then so be it. It might turn out to be best for all parties.

[Tyler Durden]

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Was a general question because your post was unbelievably negative.

''Has Slivka had a good game this season?''

Show me you either don't attend or don't actually pay attention.

You said on the previous page that Slivka really changed the game when he came on against Asteras. Slivka actually started that game, played the full 90.

Shows me you either don’t attend or don’t actually pay attention.

Fun to pick up every petty little thing if it suits your argument isn’t it?

[J-C]

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Mallan, Slivka, Hyndman and Milligan looked the biz against Hamilton. More game time for these guys as a unit please!

Unfortunately they didn't do it against Celtic, Hearts and St Johnstone, most of the top 6 teams will score a few against Hamilton, they were fairly poor against Celtic, dragged down to Hearts levels and looked decidedly average on saturday.

[Fergos]

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No ‘folk’ need to remember how big a club we are in the context of the league and country we’re in and that last season wasn’t the pinnacle of achievement but simply a restoration to at least where we should be all the time.

100%.

NL has got us back to where we belong pretty quickly, good work in doing so.

Our next challenge as a club, and that's everybody not just NL, is to push on and make sure we perform consistently in the top 4 at the very least in the top league, with regular finals into the bargain in the cups.

And that's where NLs bad loser / ambition may kick in......if we fail to achieve what we all aspire to he may well move on. However worth pointing out that he's not alone in carrying the can IF we don't achieve something like what's highlighted above. Because, as Speedway observes, that's where we should be.

GGTTH.

[Scotty Leither]

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No ‘folk’ need to remember how big a club we are in the context of the league and country we’re in and that last season wasn’t the pinnacle of achievement but simply a restoration to at least where we should be all the time.

Yup absolutely spot on...and these words or something similar to them should be pinned up in the dressing room, at East Mains, and in the Boardroom at Easter Road.

Oddly enough and on a thread about our manager, I think he realises that too and shares the frustration of a lot of us that European qualification should be the smallest the bar is set at Hibernian every year.

[MWHIBBIES]

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You said on the previous page that Slivka really changed the game when he came on against Asteras. Slivka actually started that game, played the full 90.

Shows me you either don’t attend or don’t actually pay attention.

Fun to pick up every petty little thing if it suits your argument isn’t it?

That right. He moved into his proper position 2nd half. Was like a new player.

I simply forgot. probably because I attend just about every game.

Anyone saying Slivka hasn't had a good game this season hasn't been watching Hibs.

[matty_f]

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Yup absolutely spot on...and these words or something similar to them should be pinned up in the dressing room, at East Mains, and in the Boardroom at Easter Road.

Oddly enough and on a thread about our manager, I think he realises that too and shares the frustration of a lot of us that European qualification should be the smallest the bar is set at Hibernian every year.

That's why it's refreshing to hear Dempster consistently say that European football is the target.

[Scotty Leither]

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That's why it's refreshing to hear Dempster consistently say that European football is the target.

Yes it is...and something you've never heard Petrie say during his twenty year tenure, largely presiding over mediocrity during that time.