70 Year Old women left shattered.

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It was also a closed court, so you couldn't sit & listen to the shenanigans.

Definitely on indictment then, hence the no plea or declaration. Theres three different procedures starting with the Sheriff Summary which deals with all the routine less serious crimes and offences. Then there’s Sheriff Solemn which is what I imagine this guy will go through and could result in a trial by Sheriff and Jury. The highest court in the land is the High Court which deals with the most serious crimes ie your rapes and murders.

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Based on your expert opinion Kojock what sentence do you think he will get?
Would you be prepared to hazard a guess ?

Depends if he has any previous convictions especially if they are for violent offences. It’s very difficult to say as each case is dealt with on the individual circumstances so dont hold me to this but I would be very surprised if he was sentenced to anything over 12 months.

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Depends if he has any previous convictions especially if they are for violent offences. It’s very difficult to say as each case is dealt with on the individual circumstances so dont hold me to this but I would be very surprised if he was sentenced to anything over 12 months.

Thanks for that appreciate your input

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Depends if he has any previous convictions especially if they are for violent offences. It’s very difficult to say as each case is dealt with on the individual circumstances so dont hold me to this but I would be very surprised if he was sentenced to anything over 12 months.

How long does a case of this kind normally take to come to court?

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How long does a case of this kind normally take to come to court?

Depending on how he pleads, a not guilty plea could be anything from 6 months to a year for a trial to take place.

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Depends if he has any previous convictions especially if they are for violent offences. It’s very difficult to say as each case is dealt with on the individual circumstances so dont hold me to this but I would be very surprised if he was sentenced to anything over 12 months.

I believe he is known to the police but we don't no what for.

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I believe he is known to the police but we don't no what for.

Being known to the Police and having previous convictions are two entirely different entities. You would be surprised how many people are really well known to Police but have very little in the way of actual convictions.

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I believe he is known to the police but we don't no what for.

A, you should relax and let due process run now.
FWIW I believe the guy won't want this to go to sheriff and jury, so will eventually have to plead guilty.
If he does go the sheriff and jury route the video would be shown in court and the jury would see the force with which he threw the bottle and the glee on his face after it hit your Aunty. No chance his lawyer wants that.

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A, you should relax and let due process run now.
FWIW I believe the guy won't want this to go to sheriff and jury, so will eventually have to plead guilty.
If he does go the sheriff and jury route the video would be shown in court and the jury would see the force with which he threw the bottle and the glee on his face after it hit your Aunty. No chance his lawyer wants that.

I'm fine about it all.
It's just there is no closure for the victim.
She has been asked to submit a statement how the incident has affected her.

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I'm fine about it all.
It's just there is no closure for the victim.
She has been asked to submit a statement how the incident has affected her.

A "victim impact statement" in the event of a guilty plea / verdict the statement will be read out to the court. Its a great way for the Sheriff to find out the initial affect and any long term affect the incident has had on the victim.
I would suggest that someone assists your aunt in the writing of the statement as she is probably of the generation who plays things down and doesn't like to make a fuss.

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A, you should relax and let due process run now.
FWIW I believe the guy won't want this to go to sheriff and jury, so will eventually have to plead guilty.
If he does go the sheriff and jury route the video would be shown in court and the jury would see the force with which he threw the bottle and the glee on his face after it hit your Aunty. No chance his lawyer wants that.

Re the bit in bold that would be my assumption as well, however if he thinks he is going to jail he will want to delay any sentencing till after Christmas so IMHO I think he will plead not guilty initially but change his plea nearer to the trial date.

[Here’s Lucy!]

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A "victim impact statement" in the event of a guilty plea / verdict the statement will be read out to the court. Its a great way for the Sheriff to find out the initial affect and any long term affect the incident has had on the victim.
I would suggest that someone assists your aunt in the writing of the statement as she is probably of the generation who plays things down and doesn't like to make a fuss.

That's probably very true, and therefore a great bit of advice.

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A "victim impact statement" in the event of a guilty plea / verdict the statement will be read out to the court. Its a great way for the Sheriff to find out the initial affect and any long term affect the incident has had on the victim.
I would suggest that someone assists your aunt in the writing of the statement as she is probably of the generation who plays things down and doesn't like to make a fuss.

Your spot on. My cousin is on the case. She was advised the week after it happened to make a statement. I also told them to keep a diary & take pictures of her face showing the severe swelling & bruising.

She still doesn't want to leave the house unassisted or attend any football matches.

Unless he gets time in the jail or looses his job his life will have been overall unaffected.

We have a 70 year old woman who still works full time, had a good social life & followed her favourite team.

As we speak she has lost all of the above. Only time will tell if she gains confidence to venture out & try & continue her life as it used to be.

[Itsnoteasy]

Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

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Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

Blimey!

She must have nerves of steel.
First match back, and she is faced with all these nutters with the 'Red Hands' flags, and crazy singing?

And on top of that there's all the Rangers fans up to their nonsense too.

Brave lady.

Hope she is well on the way to a full recovery.

[I'm Spartacus]

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Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

Any idea when the case will be coming up? I hope the press give this the coverage it deserves as his face should be in every paper going. f'ing animal.

Glad to hear she's on the mend.

[scoopyboy]

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Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

Good to hear.

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Any idea when the case will be coming up? I hope the press give this the coverage it deserves as his face should be in every paper going. f'ing animal.

Glad to hear she's on the mend.

The case was heard in a closed court & he made no plea.
He is currently on bail at the moment.

I have no doubt that his face will be plastered everywhere when he is sentenced.

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Blimey!

She must have nerves of steel.
First match back, and she is faced with all these nutters with the 'Red Hands' flags, and crazy singing?

And on top of that there's all the Rangers fans up to their nonsense too.

Brave lady.

Hope she is well on the way to a full recovery.

Good to hear GG. Hopefully her confidence can keep increasing.

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Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

A very good piece of news.

Hope the wee ned gets everything he deserves, and then some more.

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The case was heard in a closed court & he made no plea.
He is currently on bail at the moment.

I have no doubt that his face will be plastered everywhere when he is sentenced.

What’s the craic with a closed court?

J

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Still no sign of the coin thrower then?

[Famous Fiver]

I see banana throwing has made a comeback but not at Tynie this time.

Your lady is a brave woman and I salute her for going back there.

[BullsCloseHibs]

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Blimey!

She must have nerves of steel.
First match back, and she is faced with all these nutters with the 'Red Hands' flags, and crazy singing?

And on top of that there's all the Rangers fans up to their nonsense too.

Brave lady.

Hope she is well on the way to a full recovery.

Could easily have been faced with Yaxley-Lennon's ugly mug too luckily, he was sitting at home in his leather pants.

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Did I read somewhere he was on an indictment? That means it's a High Court charge does it not? = expected longer sentence?

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What’s the craic with a closed court?

J

Refer to Kojock above he knows how these things work.

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Did I read somewhere he was on an indictment? That means it's a High Court charge does it not? = expected longer sentence?

That's news to me. I'm sure they are waiting on the victim impact statement & background reports then take it from there.

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Glad to say she has finally returned back to watching her team.
Yesterday was her 1st match since the incident.
Still not confident to return to work or venture out on a daily basis. But were moving in the right direction.

Like.

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Did I read somewhere he was on an indictment? That means it's a High Court charge does it not? = expected longer sentence?

Indictment just means it is solemn procedure (see Kojock's earlier post) rather than summary, so it'll be trial by a jury - but that could be either Sheriff Court or High Court.

[Itsnoteasy]

Another set back for my Auntie.

Despite suffering a fractured zygoma/cheekbone, lack of hearing, panic attack at work, mentally & physically scarred, the criminal compensation board have decided that she is not entitled to any reward.

So the dilemma is what is her next step.
Can she sue the accused.
Does she go for no win no fee.
Or pay a lawyer to pursue this.

There has still been no date set for a trial so everything still up in the air.

Where is the justice!