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[Scott Allan Key]

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Would make no odds if he prayed to allah or or any other man made jingoistic nonsense.

Jingoistic means blindly loyal excessive patriotism. That is man-made set of beliefs. Okay, you don’t believe in a spiritual dimension. Others happen to believe it works and have spiritual affirmation for that.

The point is, such beliefs can spur on a person with positive deeds. I’m trying to show there is a good side to this religion instead of all the cultural labelling getting in the way and treating a large majority of innocent people like ****.


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I honestly don't think you either read, or understood, what he wrote.

If one hundred Hibs Fans went on the rampage through Glasgow City Centre after a game, it would be perfectly accurate to describe them as Rampaging Hibs Fans... despite the fact the majority of Hibs Fans do not approve.

If Hibs had a regular and large following of football hooligans, it would be accurate to say there was a problem in the Hibs Support with hooliganism that should not be covered up and needed to be addressed... it would not mean that all Hibs Fans were to blame.

They are Muslims, who were grooming children for sexual exploitation. There appears to be a larger problem with grooming gangs among the British Pakistani Community than there is among the UK population in general.

You can either admit that or stick your head in the sand, that's entirely up to you. I personally admire what the guy said.

Is there any evidence for this?

Grooming gangs exist, we need to deal with it. But paedophile rings of one type or another have existed for a long time and don't need to be tagged onto any particular nationality or faith. As Book of Kamberi says, there is nothing in the teachings of Islam that encourages or condones paedophilia - exactly the opposite.

The divisive use of language and the unnecessary tagging of the word "Muslim" onto these gangs is a huge problem and contributing to the divided, fragmented nature of our society.

I know a good few muslims. They are all great guys, with fantastic values (in many ways I would say better than my own, as I have a demon or two) and would abhor any link to the type of gangs mentioned.

We shouldn't allow the malignant tone of our tabloid press affect the way we think in this country.

Oh, and Yaxley-Lennon can GTF, along with Farage, Katie Hopkins and the rest of these types of nutter.

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I honestly don't think you either read, or understood, what he wrote.

If one hundred Hibs Fans went on the rampage through Glasgow City Centre after a game, it would be perfectly accurate to describe them as Rampaging Hibs Fans... despite the fact the majority of Hibs Fans do not approve.

If Hibs had a regular and large following of football hooligans, it would be accurate to say there was a problem in the Hibs Support with hooliganism that should not be covered up and needed to be addressed... it would not mean that all Hibs Fans were to blame.

They are Muslims, who were grooming children for sexual exploitation. There appears to be a larger problem with grooming gangs among the British Pakistani Community than there is among the UK population in general.

You can either admit that or stick your head in the sand, that's entirely up to you. I personally admire what the guy said.

No, Islam was revealed in Arabic, the words are keys to defining word, action and deed in a highly, subtle and exacting manner. It is true that people hide behind religion. Personally, I would never target Catholics as perverts like Rangers fans or yourself might do, it seems!, just because that was the do-gooding belief system, people such as Jimmy Saville was born into.

I make a distinction between identity politics, I agree Pakistani men were involved and it is correct to label it so, and religious people. Sometimes people, do things under the cover of religion, so as to make their deeds go uncovered. It doesn’t make them OF that religion while they were doing so. That’s the distinction between a disbeliever or hypocrite and a believer. The lattter wouldn’t do or defend such actions.

To myself as a Muslim, it is deeply insulting that people try to group my transactional beliefs into something perverse. Do you have a problem understanding that? You clearly don’t know much about Islam nor should you, I’ll leave it at that!


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[Diclonius]

It's utterly depressing that anyone at all - even one or two people - are defending Tommy ****ing Robinson or what he stands for on this forum. Unreal.

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Is there any evidence for this?

Grooming gangs exist, we need to deal with it. But paedophile rings of one type or another have existed for a long time and don't need to be tagged onto any particular nationality or faith. As Book of Kamberi says, there is nothing in the teachings of Islam that encourages or condones paedophilia - exactly the opposite.

The divisive use of language and the unnecessary tagging of the word "Muslim" onto these gangs is a huge problem and contributing to the divided, fragmented nature of our society.

I know a good few muslims. They are all great guys, with fantastic values (in many ways I would say better than my own, as I have a demon or two) and would abhor any link to the type of gangs mentioned.

We shouldn't allow the malignant tone of our tabloid press affect the way we think in this country.

Oh, and Yaxley-Lennon can GTF, along with Farage, Katie Hopkins and the rest of these types of nutter.

I think the issue is the part of Pakistan where these gangs have their roots. There are more from Kashmir/ mirpuri. Now I presume they are also Muslim, but I suspect it is a warped cultural thing that has these people doing it.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjoga7F0uDeAhWNW 8AKHWXqDLwQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.expr ess.co.uk%2Fnews%2***%2F697583%2FRotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE&psig=AOvVaw0yf9ZLRI4S0tBp9CptPfV0&ust=15427233 70943256

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I think the issue is the part of Pakistan where these gangs have their roots. There are more from Kashmir/ mirpuri. Now I presume they are also Muslim, but I suspect it is a warped cultural thing that has these people doing it.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&so...42723370943256

It sadly is all down to culture, a culture where poverty, a low standard and low expectation of education, corruption and misogyny coexist. I’m sad if people think that is defining ‘Muslims’. I’m thinking words have begun to completely lose their meaning with widespread negative opprobrium all the rage.

Wait until I give you all a different definition of jihad! Like anyone cares anymore!


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It's utterly depressing that anyone at all - even one or two people - are defending Tommy ****ing Robinson or what he stands for on this forum. Unreal.

It's unsurprising who the two are.

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It's utterly depressing that anyone at all - even one or two people - are defending Tommy ****ing Robinson or what he stands for on this forum. Unreal.

Do you know what he stands for? Or have you got your opinion from the msm?

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Do you know what he stands for? Or have you got your opinion from the msm?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain exactly what Robinson did to help in those trials. Other than almost completely ruin them .

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I'm assuming you live on a remote island somewhere?

Even my wife who has no interest in politics or football has heard of the extremely controversial Tommy Robinson.

I have heard his name before but I dont know what he does. And for the record I live in Burdiehouse and am on social media every day.

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I have heard his name before but I dont know what he does. And for the record I live in Burdiehouse and am on social media every day.

No problems mate. I'm just very surprised as he's such an exceedingly high profile controversial bampot. As I said even my wife who doesn't do politics or into football has heard of him and is aware of what he does.

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It sadly is all down to culture, a culture where poverty, a low standard and low expectation of education, corruption and misogyny coexist. I’m sad if people think that is defining ‘Muslims’. I’m thinking words have begun to completely lose their meaning with widespread negative opprobrium all the rage.

Wait until I give you all a different definition of jihad! Like anyone cares anymore!


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Well said. Kneejerk anger and lazy labelling of a whole people and a religion.
There is a certain irony in the title of this thread which would suggest all Hearts fans have no class. This is obviously absurd but the stupid will believe it and behave accordingly.
The stupid in society believe and fall for anything which is why radical groups of every type target them.

The truth is all of us individuals are responsible for our actions, good and bad.

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Do you know what he stands for? Or have you got your opinion from the msm?

What does he stand for? Where did you get your opinion, whatever it is, of him?

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It's utterly depressing that anyone at all - even one or two people - are defending Tommy ****ing Robinson or what he stands for on this forum. Unreal.

The"evidence" for Muslims seemingly being accountable for a disproportionate amount of noncery does not stand up to scrutiny, with some very basic research. When challenged, defenders of this position point to figures originated from Tommy's former compadres in the Quilliam Foundation, specifically Maajid Nawaz. The flaws in methodology, especially the approach to sampling, and interpretation of the data presented have been written about widely, although of course do not make the sexy tabloid headlines as they require some boring scrutiny of statistics. Here is merely a couple:

https://www.counterfire.org/articles...nd-racist-lies

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/g...t-cc834b57fcf3

If anyone is suspicious of the analysis given the supposed political sympathies of the researchers, please feel free to present a counter analysis and defend the mythical "84%" figure.....

I would think that there are very few people out there who deliberately wish to frustrate the identification, disruption and conviction of pedophile rings in the name of "multiculturalism" (another abused term, but just for shorthand's sake the now). I have not seen any attempts to portray the paedophile cultures that have been identified in the BBC and media in recent decades, or, on a quite unimaginable scale, within the Catholic Church, as being specifically "white" or "catholic" issues, and infer that those populations or creeds have some entrenched cultural characteristics which make them inherently more noncey and predatory. This is just the latest attempt by Tommy Robinson and his fellow travellers to find a conduit for their prejudice. It mirrors their attitude to Islamofascist terrorism....an incredibly diverse, heterogenous global Islamic population of 1.5 billion can somehow be held collectively responsible for the actions of any sick **** who commits atrocities in the name of their warped interpretation of Islam, actions from which Muslims make up well over 90% of victims worldwide.

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Well said. Kneejerk anger and lazy labelling of a whole people and a religion.
There is a certain irony in the title of this thread which would suggest all Hearts fans have no class. This is obviously absurd but the stupid will believe it and behave accordingly.
The stupid in society believe and fall for anything which is why radical groups of every type target them.

The truth is all of us individuals are responsible for our actions, good and bad.

There's a vast number of good folk out there suffering from mental health issues such as depression, anxiety, non diagnosed illnesses etc co existing with deprivation and poverty of which can affect behaviours. I understand your point mate but not every single person is entirely responsible for their actions. There can well be underlying mitigating circumstances.

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No problems mate. I'm just very surprised as he's such an exceedingly high profile controversial bampot. As I said even my wife who doesn't do politics or into football has heard of him and is aware of what he does.

Maybe posting some links would enlighten other folk?
He’s a ****ing nutter that fronted the EDL and in very recent times has been refused a US visa and been banned by PayPal and has even found success in dividing the lunatics that support Luton Town.
I’ve no doubt some of our own ‘lads’ sniff around his crusty backside of a ‘Lads Alliance’.

A nazi.

Sorry that these are the Guardian but imagine keeping a library on this bawbag?


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sure-far-right

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...shington-visit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/tommy-...facebook-live/

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Maybe posting some links would enlighten other folk?
He’s a ****ing nutter that fronted the EDL and in very recent times has been refused a US visa and been banned by PayPal and has even found success in dividing the lunatics that support Luton Town.
I’ve no doubt some of our own ‘lads’ sniff around his crusty backside of a ‘Lads Alliance’.

A nazi.

Sorry that these are the Guardian but imagine keeping a library on this bawbag?


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sure-far-right

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...shington-visit

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/tommy-...facebook-live/

I couldn't agree more. Great post Iggy. The man is a racist bigoted ned bampot.

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.... Personally, I would never target Catholics as perverts like Rangers fans or yourself might do, it seems!, just because that was the do-gooding belief system, people such as Jimmy Saville was born into.

Just wow!

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,,,,It is true that people hide behind religion. ...

....Sometimes people, do things under the cover of religion, so as to make their deeds go uncovered. .........

To myself as a Muslim, it is deeply insulting that people try to group my transactional beliefs into something perverse. Do you have a problem understanding that? You clearly don’t know much about Islam nor should you, I’ll leave it at that!

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You clearly have a serious problem, so I really think it best if you DID leave it, instead of lashing out at others, without actually thinking what they actually said or wrote.

You criticize others for real or perceived prejudice, yet you yourself are full of prejudice. You're not exactly a great advertisement for Islam.

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[Lendo]

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Just wow!





You clearly have a serious problem, so I really think it best if you DID leave it, instead of lashing out at others, without actually thinking what they actually said or wrote.

You criticize others for real or perceived prejudice, yet you yourself are full of prejudice. You're not exactly a great advertisement for Islam.

Hahahahahahahahaha. What a nonsense post.

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Saw this on Facebook

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Now that is a post worth backing. Well done to whoever put that together for them. 👍🏻

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Saw this on Facebook

Hertz Tommy Robinson.jpg

That is really good.
Tommy Tommy GTF, Tommy GTF

[superfurryhibby]

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It's utterly depressing that anyone at all - even one or two people - are defending Tommy ****ing Robinson or what he stands for on this forum. Unreal.

Turn it around mate and notice all the very positive posts calling out the nonsense that the few are speaking.

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I was born and raised in Luton (moved out 14 years ago) and still visit 2-3 times a year. There always was an 'asian' part of town, and that has grown massively of late. Going back 30 years there were places I wouldn't have gone to after dark - but that included some dodgy 'white' areas as well. I never really noticed any race issues whilst I was a young lad about town. When I go out for a few beers now in town, I still don't get a feeling of complete dread and fear (maybe because I'm a bit pissed). The shopping centre (Arndale) doesn't really appeal to me and does have a bit of a negative vibe about it. I think a lot of trouble can be between drugs gangs and you'd be unlucky to get caught up as an innocent bystander.

Luton Town FC is right in the middle of an Asian area, but I've never felt any issues walking to and from it (apart from Millwall in 1985). There are noticeably more tables set up in the street with various campaigns / fliers and I would guess they are not always advocating peace but I certainly wouldn't stop to have a debate.

All in all I used to / still think Luton didn't have an outward sense of racism (on any side) but not lived there for a while and I wasn't especially on a 'front line'. Though I certainly wouldn't choose to live there now.

I spend about 4 or 5 days in Luton every year and whilst there's no arguing that it has a comparatively large Asian population, I can't say I've ever felt threatened apart from when I watched England get beat by Germany in Luton with two female German friends.

What struck me most is the amount of people wandering the town that have obvious psychiatric problems. I did notice many different religious groups missioneering in the main street and wandered over for a chat but soon lost interest when I realised it was the same creationist stuff that you'd hear in any Christian church.

On the plus side there are some cracking curries to be had

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I think I'll bow out of this thread, as it's really gone down hill.



Big hugs and kisses to everybody!

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Author, Jack Alexander:

“Ever since the inauguration of the memorial cairn in the Somme village of Contalmaison, it has attracted the attention of a small cadre of intensely stupid individuals who like to think themselves keepers of some mythical tradition of Heart of Midlothian FC as a Protestant “Loyalist” club. It’s as if they imagine they can better guard old Derry’s walls from breastworks of Ypres, Arras and Albert. They come to the Western Front, meet up with their equally bigoted cohorts from Lanarkshire and Northern Ireland and sing their dubious songs of hate.”

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Author, Jack Alexander:

“Ever since the inauguration of the memorial cairn in the Somme village of Contalmaison, it has attracted the attention of a small cadre of intensely stupid individuals who like to think themselves keepers of some mythical tradition of Heart of Midlothian FC as a Protestant “Loyalist” club. It’s as if they imagine they can better guard old Derry’s walls from breastworks of Ypres, Arras and Albert. They come to the Western Front, meet up with their equally bigoted cohorts from Lanarkshire and Northern Ireland and sing their dubious songs of hate.”

That short paragraph should be printed on every match day ticket in Scotland every week of the season. Says it all about the small minded bigots who blite the terraces and stands

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Bumping this thread for this belter:

https://twitter.com/paul_hmfc59/stat...39325200252934

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Bumping this thread for this belter:

https://twitter.com/paul_hmfc59/stat...39325200252934

Old Budge seems a decent old dear, with some good morals, and has done a massive amount for that club.

She must shake her head and wonder why she pours money into a club that attracts these cretins.

Time she withdrew her backing and invested some 'mystery donations' with the good guys.