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[Lancs Harp]

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I'm just back from Old Trafford. Utd were, as per this season, garbage. it's so negative and slow. Juve were decent, moved the ball around but didn't really create much bar a couple of De Gea to class saves.

It was hard to tell if Juve were good or the lack of movement and press from Utd made them look better. all in all it wasn't a good game.

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Thought United improved in the second half but always felt Juve were in command. I thought Juve played pretty well in the first half, United didnt get a kick for the first half hour or so. Pretty much as I expected it to be to be honest, United are what the 4th/5th/6th best team in England against easily the best team in Italy. United aren't on the same level as Juve presently who are comfortably sitting at Europes top table.

[One Day Soon]

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But yet, before tonight, they were still five points ahead of us and therefore are making those clean sheets and goals work further for them.

But no facts allowed right?

Wow, five points ahead before tonight? Imagine that.

[I'm Spartacus]

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Celtic: 2-4 v 1-0
Kilmarnock: 3-2 v 1-0
Livingston: 1-2 v 0-0
Rangers: N/A v 1-3
Aberdeen: 1-1 v 2-1
St Johnstone: 1-1 v 2-1
Hamilton: 6-0 v 4-1
Motherwell: 3-0 v 1-0
St Mirren: 1-0 v 4-1
Dundee: 3-0 v 3-0

Our results aren't too dissimilar, but they seem to have a knack of grinding out difficult wins. A draw at Tynecastle would be a good result given an away win for either side in the derby was over four years ago and that in almost a year and a half they've only lost there once, to Celtic.

Wow 12 May 2013 since we last won a league match at Tynecastle.

27 April 2014 since they last won a league match at ER.

Some stat given its nearly 2019!

[rcarter1]

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Not hard to work out why. They play on a child size pitch with a **** surface. Are you suggesting that if every other team adopted a child size pitch with a **** surface they would all be 3-6 points better off?

Do you think they have an advantage playing on a smaller pitch then?

Im suggesting that Tynecastle has a reputation (more so than Easter Road) for being a particular difficult ground in the SPL to play at.

If its true then season after season they may have an advantage from that.

Unless their away from suffers as a result (ie it balances out), then they may be gaining a few points advantage over and above the players ability/manager for some silly reason like a pitch size or a stand steepness or something else. If I was given responsibility for running Hibs Id be keen to look into why that was.

Im not being negative or whatever, just genuinely interested, if Hibs could benefit from working it out then Id be chuffed.

[Real Emerald]

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Cracking the Tynecastle conundrum is a challenge for all teams in the league.. If this home advantage is down to a fundamental difference in Hearts fans vs the rest of us (seems doubtfull..), than shame on the rest of us for being lame 'home' supporters. If its down to the stadium design, then shame on the rest of us for our lame stadium designs.

If their home advantage is worth an extra 3-6 points to them a season (no idea if it is like!) , than hell mend the rest of us for not trying to work out why..

Hearts have always had a brilliant home record. Their pitch is very small making easy to close opponents down quickly and get the ball inti the box, usually to a big CF with another sniffing around to knock the scraps into the net or scream penalty. They recruit players who are suited to this, players who were probably pish everywhere else.

No other team is set up to deal with these tactics and find the whole experience alien to football. Build up momentum and confidence and they become really hard to beat there. They use their pish surroundings wisely. 😡

[I'm Spartacus]

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When did we last lose a league match at home?

13 December 2017 v Rangers???
2-1, Stevenson scores first then 2 goals minutes apart before HT

[rcarter1]

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When did we last lose a league match at home?

That form for us, is I believe, because we are an excellent football team. Hearts home form is a kind of 'they do well at Tynecastle just because they do well'.

[rcarter1]

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Hearts have always had a brilliant home record. Their pitch is very small making easy to close opponents down quickly and get the ball inti the box, usually to a big CF with another sniffing around to knock the scraps into the net or scream penalty. They recruit players who are suited to this, players who were probably pish everywhere else.

No other team is set up to deal with these tactics and find the whole experience alien to football. Build up momentum and confidence and they become really hard to beat there. They use their pish surroundings wisely. 😡

Fair enough - This at least would suggest why they can be so bad away from home -on the road, they are in effect, playing a different sport.

Hmm. So how do good teams quell these ball in the box tactics? I seem to remember Spurs swatting aside a 'tough tackling' Hearts side a few seasons back.

[Real Emerald]

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Fair enough - This at least would suggest why they can be so bad away from home -on the road, they are in effect, playing a different sport.

Hmm. So how do good teams quell these ball in the box tactics? I seem to remember Spurs swatting aside a 'tough tackling' Hearts side a few seasons back.

They’re not invincible at the PBS but their tactics and recruitment are more suited to it than their opponents. Better opponents will obviously have other ways to counteract this. How many long throw experts have Hearts had over the years compared to the rest of Scottish football? They play to get that ball into the box on a small pitch at every opportunity, stack very big physical players into the equation and it’s no surprise they get better results at the wee stadium than venues with proper sized pitches.

[Lancs Harp]

Hearts have strong forwards and good at the line out and scrummage with decent place kickers.

[rcarter1]

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They’re not invincible at the PBS but their tactics and recruitment are more suited to it than their opponents. Better opponents will obviously have other ways to counteract this. How many long throw experts have Hearts had over the years compared to the rest of Scottish football? They play to get that ball into the box on a small pitch at every opportunity, stack very big physical players into the equation and it’s no surprise they get better results at the wee stadium than venues with proper sized pitches.

So get a team of Marvin Bartleys and Milligans, and a 7 foot striker and we are in business..

Ill be interested to see how Lennon and the team approach and deal with the upcoming Tynecastle match - I was surprised how bad the team played in the last derby there.

[Hermit Crab]

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So Hearts getting the rub of the green and playing Celtic again on Back of Celtic playing in Europe
Fixtures also have been kind to them So they must be due some bad results to even things out
Would be nice to think Celtic and Us will beat them but they have momentum so the Onus is on Us to do something we rarely do Win at Tynie

I wouldn't say playing Saturday, Tuesday, Sunday, Wednesday then Saturday again is fixtures being kind, they already won 2 out of the 5. If anything they've been kind to us by our game vs The Rangers has been moved to December.

[hibsfan7]

I think celtic are going to waste them at Murrayfield. See how they recover from that one...

[Cardinal G]

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They're not loving McGeouch at Sunderland and there have been a few calls for him to be dropped.

The consensus seems to be that he doesn't really do much. I'm not sure they appreciate the "water carrier" role and expect much more than Dylan brings.

Madness.

Just back from Doncaster and tonights performance was much improved from him. Were calls ahead of last away game on saturday for him to be dropped but thankfully Ross stood by him and he's starting to show what he can do.
If im honest playing alongside Cattermole hinders him more than it helps.

[Hermit Crab]

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I think celtic are going to waste them at Murrayfield. See how they recover from that one...

I wonder if Hearts will try to narrow the pitch.

[CMurdoch]

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They’re not invincible at the PBS but their tactics and recruitment are more suited to it than their opponents. Better opponents will obviously have other ways to counteract this. How many long throw experts have Hearts had over the years compared to the rest of Scottish football? They play to get that ball into the box on a small pitch at every opportunity, stack very big physical players into the equation and it’s no surprise they get better results at the wee stadium than venues with proper sized pitches.

We could easily put an equally big team out against them at the PBS

Bogdan

Ambrose Porteous Hanlon

Bartley Milligan

Boyle Slivka Mallan

Kamberi Shaw


8 tall and strong outfield players to win the midfield, corner and other set play battles.
1 grafting and dangerous speedster (Boyle)
1 free kick and shooting specialist

Look to bring on subs to win the match in the last half hour: McLaren, Horgan, Hyndmann

[CMurdoch]

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Not hard to work out why. They play on a child size pitch with a **** surface. Are you suggesting that if every other team adopted a child size pitch with a **** surface they would all be 3-6 points better off?

Surface no longer ****, they spent £1million on a new state of the art (ark?) pitch

[hibsfan7]

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I wonder if Hearts will try to narrow the pitch.

I get the feeling there'll be a fair few yam sympathisers in the SRU. Hope Brenda Rogers brings his tape measure with him...

[TheHarpy76]

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Folk need to get a grip.

If they go into the last game of the season needing a point at Dens Park to win the league then we all know that's the time for folk to start 5hitting themselves.

Until then we should calm down. We've got a decent team of our own - time will tell if it is better than theirs.

I can't believe the high regard so many of our fans have for them after they have done nothing more than have a decent start to the season.

Come on now. They’ve had much more than a “decent start to the season”. Claiming otherwise would be churlish in the extreme. If that was us in their place then we would be raving about it.
Do I think they’ll still be there come the end of the season? No, I don’t! But as a poster on another thread said recently, It doesn’t make you a bad Hibs fan by acknowledging that Hearts have made a cracking start.

We’ve also got a good side and had a good start to the season, it’s a testament to how tight it is at the top that after just one defeat at Parkhead we’ve dropped from 2nd to 6th.

[B.H.F.C]

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I wouldn't say playing Saturday, Tuesday, Sunday, Wednesday then Saturday again is fixtures being kind, they already won 2 out of the 5. If anything they've been kind to us by our game vs The Rangers has been moved to December.

It would have been their choice to play last night. They obviously wanted to get the game played whilst in form.

Our fixtures are too stop start. An additional game in December is hardly kind when it’ll be the complete opposite.

[Onion]

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It would have been their choice to play last night. They obviously wanted to get the game played whilst in form.

Our fixtures are too stop start. An additional game in December is hardly kind when it’ll be the tiaras opposite.

Lennon was right, our fixture list is awful. Only slight benefit it gives our injured players a chance to get fit (but not match fit).

Yams are doing amazingly well with a team that's lost it's best/influantial 3 players. Would be like us losing Kamberi, Efe and Milligan. A win at the PBS would be great, but not losing is vital IMO.

[rotherhamrob]

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They’re not invincible at the PBS but their tactics and recruitment are more suited to it than their opponents. Better opponents will obviously have other ways to counteract this. How many long throw experts have Hearts had over the years compared to the rest of Scottish football? They play to get that ball into the box on a small pitch at every opportunity, stack very big physical players into the equation and it’s no surprise they get better results at the wee stadium than venues with proper sized pitches.

Talking about long throws, in the clips before milligan signed, I seem to remember him having a good long throw-in, I'm surprised we haven't
Used it at times.

[Famous Fiver]

Serious point about the size of the pitch at Murrayfield on Sunday.

Who decides?

SFA, SPFL,some obscure committee, Murrayfield groundsman, negotiation between the clubs?

Will the pitch dimensions be publicised?

Poster who suggested Brenda takes his tape measure is spot on.

[calumhibee1]

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Serious point about the size of the pitch at Murrayfield on Sunday.

Who decides?

SFA, SPFL,some obscure committee, Murrayfield groundsman, negotiation between the clubs?

Will the pitch dimensions be publicised?

Poster who suggested Brenda takes his tape measure is spot on.

I would think making it the same size as Hampden (if possible) would be the obvious thing to do but who knows. Knowing the SFA they’ll just get someone to roughly guess lining it out.

[Elephant Stone]

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Lennon was right, our fixture list is awful. Only slight benefit it gives our injured players a chance to get fit (but not match fit).

Yams are doing amazingly well with a team that's lost it's best/influantial 3 players. Would be like us losing Kamberi, Efe and Milligan. A win at the PBS would be great, but not losing is vital IMO.

That battering ram Ikpeazu has scored 1 goal.

[calumhibee1]

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Come on now. They’ve had much more than a “decent start to the season”. Claiming otherwise would be churlish in the extreme. If that was us in their place then we would be raving about it.
Do I think they’ll still be there come the end of the season? No, I don’t! But as a poster on another thread said recently, It doesn’t make you a bad Hibs fan by acknowledging that Hearts have made a cracking start.

We’ve also got a good side and had a good start to the season, it’s a testament to how tight it is at the top that after just one defeat at Parkhead we’ve dropped from 2nd to 6th.

Agree. Hearts are a good side who have had an incredible start. We’re a good side who have had a very good start.. People claiming that their luck will run out or they will fall away soon are just hoping that’s the case while the evidence doesn’t suggest that at all, much in the same way there’s no evidence to suggest it’ll happen to us either.

[Stuart93]

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That battering ram Ikpeazu has scored 1 goal.

Probably set up more than he scored though as well as him just being a physical presence.

As someone else has said doesn’t make you a bad hibby to admit they’ve had a brilliant start.

[lapsedhibee]

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Surface no longer ****, they spent £1million on a new state of the art (ark?) pitch

Presumably they can still make it **** for visits by good footballing teams, though, as they did for Celtc when they grew grass too long?

[Elephant Stone]

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Probably set up more than he scored though as well as him just being a physical presence.

As someone else has said doesn’t make you a bad hibby to admit they’ve had a brilliant start.

Losing Naismith would be their equivalent to us losing Kamberi. Losing Ikpeazu would be a blow for them but it's not on the same level.

They have had a brilliant start, no question.

[BILLYHIBS]

Ikpeazu looked a handful but he has made room for Potters preferred front two in the veteran Maclean and ratboy Naismith they also have good back up in Clare and Wighton. FairPlay their scattergun recruitment policy appears to have worked for them and luck appears to be on their side so far so good but somethings got to give a big test for them at the weekend will be a very interesting contest between a flying Hearts and a resurgent Celtic. HIBS on the other hand will have a good rest and hopefully be able to pick up the pieces next Wednesday