Dutch and Belgian leagues to merge?

[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

I hope we get involved.


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[CB_NO3]

Doubt we would get involved. Its in order to keep the best players in the region and compete with Europes top 5 leagues. The ones that will lose out are the smaller clubs.

[Sir David Gray]

Folk complain when we get an early kick off up in Aberdeen. I can't wait to see the reaction when we have a 12pm kick off in Brussels.

[oneone73]

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I hope we get involved.


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Ha. How many loyalty points for an away game at Ghent or Utrecht?

[Ozyhibby]

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Doubt we would get involved. Its in order to keep the best players in the region and compete with Europes top 5 leagues. The ones that will lose out are the smaller clubs.

If it’s an 18 team league then Hibs are big enough to compete in that. There are only about 14 Dutch and Belgian teams with bigger crowds than us.


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[HibeeHibernian4]

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I hope we get involved.

Why on earth would you want Hibs travelling hundreds of miles every other week? If you want us to become like England all watching it on TV, then this is the way to go about it. Count me out.

[bingo70]

I don’t think there’s any chance of us joining that league, the relevance to the story for us is that it could set a precedent for the Scottish and English leagues merging, or at least for the old firm to join the English leagues.

[IberianHibernian]

Don`t think Netherlands / Belgium league would affect TV money much but having clubs from different national leagues competing together would make it much easier for UEFA to negociate TV deals for Barcelona ( within an independent Catalonia ) to continue in Spanish League or Celtic to play in England .

[CB_NO3]

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If it’s an 18 team league then Hibs are big enough to compete in that. There are only about 14 Dutch and Belgian teams with bigger crowds than us.


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The proposal is for 9 Dutch and 9 Belgian clubs.

[SteveHFC]

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Why on earth would you want Hibs travelling hundreds of miles every other week? If you want us to become like England all watching it on TV, then this is the way to go about it. Count me out.

Hibs playing in some sort super of league will be the final straw for many fans. Who would be able to afford travelling away hundreds of miles every other week.

[bingo70]

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Hibs playing in some sort super of league will be the final straw for many fans. Who would be to afford travelling away hundreds of miles every other week.

The authorities generally don’t care that much about the average fan, it’s all about the tv deals, sponsorship and hospitality etc....

Hopefully one day they’ll realise they need the average fan to have a product, I’m not sure that message has hit home in England yet.

[B.H.F.C]

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Hibs playing in some sort super of league will be the final straw for many fans. Who would be to afford travelling away hundreds of miles every other week.

No loyalty scheme required.

[SteveHFC]

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No loyalty scheme required.

No AST too

[Baader]

Might make sense for those two countries to do it. Not for Scottish clubs to be involved though, which isn't the proposal anyway.

[Ozyhibby]

I think I’d prefer having Ajax, PSV, Anderlecht etc visiting Easter road regularly.


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[southern hibby]

Half of me wants to know if it will be Away Season Ticket or Loyalty Points.
Either way I’d be daft enough to go.

Big Bird ( girlfriend ) might decide she’s had enough and dump me 😉. Well the wife did, because ( in her words not mine ) you love that fxxxing team more than me.
Probably the only thing the two of us agreed on.


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Half of me wants to know if it will be Away Season Ticket or Loyalty Points.
Either way I’d be daft enough to go.

Big Bird ( girlfriend ) might decide she’s had enough and dump me 😉. Well the wife did, because ( in her words not mine ) you love that fxxxing team more than me.
Probably the only thing the two of us agreed on.


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Stay strong my man, Stay strong

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[Austinho]

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Might make sense for those two countries to do it. Not for Scottish clubs to be involved though, which isn't the proposal anyway.

Would make more geographical sense to have a league with Ireland and Northern Ireland. Although the Challenge Cup has shown how weak those leagues are - more Scottish lower league level. The Old Firm couldn’t be trusted to behave in away trips either.

[B.H.F.C]

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I think I’d prefer having Ajax, PSV, Anderlecht etc visiting Easter road regularly.


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The novelty factor of something like that would be great initially.

Football free weekends are crap though and having to miss the majority of away games would be no fun,

[chippy]

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I think I’d prefer having Ajax, PSV, Anderlecht etc visiting Easter road regularly.


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1) A Belgian/Dutch League seems an easy negotiation and geographical deal. TV money must be good.
2) I doubt our SFA/SPFL could get involved at this stage even if they wanted to
3) Still can’t see any big clubs in England sacrificing themselves to allow the Old Firm in
4) Can’t see a full on British league either, nothing in it for the English
5) We could explore the feasibility of a Nordic/Celtic league though as theses countries may well be interested. If we had a United say 2 division league with Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland and all Ireland we’d have a population of 40 million for a TV deal. If a 2 division set up it could accommodate 32-40 clubs. Scotland, Norway, Denmark having 7 clubs, Sweden 9, Ireland and Finland 4 each and Iceland 2.
6) Run this league in parallel with our own premier league. Summer football?
7) the whole project would stand for fall on what level of TV deal could be obtained. The Scandics are among the best supported clubs in Europe. So would we like to see Rosenburg, Malmo (ouch), Brondby, Copenhagen, Molde, Norrkoping, AIK, at Easter Road on a regular basis as well as Old Firm, Jambos , Dons etc

[Ozyhibby]

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Would make more geographical sense to have a league with Ireland and Northern Ireland. Although the Challenge Cup has shown how weak those leagues are - more Scottish lower league level. The Old Firm couldn’t be trusted to behave in away trips either.

Ireland and Northern Ireland just don’t have clubs big enough to make it worthwhile unfortunately.


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[blackpoolhibs]

I'm always glad when we qualify for Europe, this year showed that we can compete with a few clubs of similar or less quality.

I'm not sure getting pumped from the likes of Ajax PSV and the likes along with a resurgent sevco and Celtic would get the juices flowing for long.

If we were to merge football associations, our merge would need to probably be with the the scandinavian leagues?

I'm not keen.

[IGRIGI]

Makes sense for the Dutch and Belgians given geographical and cultural links along with the facts that they are two relatively similar sized nations both in a population sense and football sense.

I don't really see a feasible option for Scotland, cost of travel would prohibit joining a Benelux/Celtic/ Scandinavian league and a lifetime of yoyoing between the bottom of the Championship and the top of League 1 would do the likes of Hibs no good.

[Ozyhibby]

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1) A Belgian/Dutch League seems an easy negotiation and geographical deal. TV money must be good.
2) I doubt our SFA/SPFL could get involved at this stage even if they wanted to
3) Still can’t see any big clubs in England sacrificing themselves to allow the Old Firm in
4) Can’t see a full on British league either, nothing in it for the English
5) We could explore the feasibility of a Nordic/Celtic league though as theses countries may well be interested. If we had a United say 2 division league with Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland and all Ireland we’d have a population of 40 million for a TV deal. If a 2 division set up it could accommodate 32-40 clubs. Scotland, Norway, Denmark having 7 clubs, Sweden 9, Ireland and Finland 4 each and Iceland 2.
6) Run this league in parallel with our own premier league. Summer football?
7) the whole project would stand for fall on what level of TV deal could be obtained. The Scandics are among the best supported clubs in Europe. So would we like to see Rosenburg, Malmo (ouch), Brondby, Copenhagen, Molde, Norrkoping, AIK, at Easter Road on a regular basis as well as Old Firm, Jambos , Dons etc

Or we could go the whole hog with the Dutch, Belgians, Swedes, Danes and Norwegians.
Create and strong 2 divisions with a tv market to compete with the big leagues.

2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Hibs 18,000
Hearts 18,000
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Utrecht 16,646
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi

Would mean we no longer have to lose our best players to the championship in England. I’m certain the glamour of such a league would bring in extra fans as well. Us and the yams might have to fill in the corners of our stadiums.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Makes sense for the Dutch and Belgians given geographical and cultural links along with the facts that they are two relatively similar sized nations both in a population sense and football sense.

I don't really see a feasible option for Scotland, cost of travel would prohibit joining a Benelux/Celtic/ Scandinavian league and a lifetime of yoyoing between the bottom of the Championship and the top of League 1 would do the likes of Hibs no good.

Cost of travel won’t even come into it, most big leagues in Europe don’t have large numbers of away supports.
From a business sense, the only teams who bring a considerable support to Easter road would all be involved anyway.


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[superfurryhibby]

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Or we could go the whole hog with the Dutch, Belgians, Swedes, Danes and Norwegians.
Create and strong 2 divisions with a tv market to compete with the big leagues.

2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Hibs 18,000
Hearts 18,000
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Utrecht 16,646
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi

Would mean we no longer have to lose our best players to the championship in England. I’m certain the glamour of such a league would bring in extra fans as well. Us and the yams might have to fill in the corners of our stadiums.


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Tragic suggestion really. Hibs would be in the bottom league, travel to away games would be ridic and it would end more than a century of tradition. Never going to happen anyway.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tragic suggestion really. Hibs would be in the bottom league, travel to away games would be ridic and it would end more than a century of tradition. Never going to happen anyway.

Why would we be in the bottom league? And ‘never going to happen’? I’m absolutely certain change is on the way. Clubs like Ajax, PSV etc don’t want to keep losing their best young players just because they are from a small country. Football is a business and that format above would bring more money to all of those business’s above. When money is involved, change is inevitable. What stopped it before was uefa opposition and now uefa are in favour.


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[superfurryhibby]

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Why would we be in the bottom league? And ‘never going to happen’? I’m absolutely certain change is on the way. Clubs like Ajax, PSV etc don’t want to keep losing their best young players just because they are from a small country. Football is a business and that format above would bring more money to all of those business’s above. When money is involved, change is inevitable. What stopped it before was uefa opposition and now uefa are in favour.


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Just speculating, but based on crowd size and intuition.

Football is more than just a business and the Glasgow teams can go if they like. I’ve no interest in Hibs v mid ranking Dutch and Belgian teams, sorry.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Merged leagues are inevitable imo. It’s only a matter of time and when it comes it will be the end of football for me