You are probably right, but I genuinely believe we should be getting closer to 50m a yearOriginally Posted by Northernhibee
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19-10-2018 11:55 AM #31@hibs.net private member
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19-10-2018 12:00 PM #32Coaching Staff
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I think the tired old formula of just showing whichever OF team is away from home needs looked at. It's ridiculous that our game on Saturday, 2nd v 3rd in front of a full house isn't on but the spine tinglingly exciting Hamilton v New Huns, 9th vs 6th in a half built stadium is.
Plus OF fans get almost all their home games 3pm on a Saturday. The rest of us are shunted around all over the place.
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Totally agree absolute nonsense the scheduling with virtually all their away games live many of which are very one sided. Don't see it changing though. Why not aim for 100m as the league is strong as it has been for years. Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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19-10-2018 12:17 PM #34@hibs.net private member
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Bit of a false economy that though from the TV providers. Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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Give us the £40m and we could attract better players and then you may get a league worth the sums you’re talking about. Give us pennies so we are competing with non league clubs in England and we will have a standard which reflects that, although I think we do pretty well given the resources provided to us.
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19-10-2018 12:26 PM #35First Team Breakthrough
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Istanbul alone has a population 3 times that of Scotland. Turks are far more fanatical fans too. All round a much easier tv commodity to sell Originally Posted by CMurdoch
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19-10-2018 01:17 PM #36Coaching Staff
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I get the population aspect of your argument but you are wrong to state that Turks are far more fanatical. Originally Posted by heid the baw
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Last season the average attendance in the top Scottish League was 20% higher than the so called Turkish Super League.
Given our population that is a remarkable fact.
Scotland is far more fanatical than the rest of Europe about football.
We love it!Last edited by CMurdoch; 19-10-2018 at 02:30 PM.
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19-10-2018 01:47 PM #37Coaching Staff
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Yup, but bet it was the SPFL guys who wanted to get their fat erkys to London on a good old away day jollie Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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yup, they're that commited they couldn't get off of their fat erkys to wine and dine in the country where the games actually take place
take the eleven sports deal :)
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Rugby league gets £40m a year from sky and their viewing figures are lower than the SPFL’s. We get 225,000 average per game to their 200,000 per game. Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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19-10-2018 02:31 PM #39Coaching Staff
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Good factoid Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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The SPL has the highest per capita attendance in Europe Originally Posted by CMurdoch
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It hasn't been like that for years. Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
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19-10-2018 06:02 PM #42First Team Breakthrough
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Are they??? Originally Posted by heid the baw
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Strange how Scotland has a far greater average attendance than them.
12000 compared to the SPL’s 16000 (approx)
Hibs are only out-attended by 4 clubs
Hibs have a better average attendance than 14 of Turkeys 18 top flight clubs
A quick analysis shows the league isn’t as attractive as perceived
You only really get capacity crowds in big euro games or the odd derby
Celtic and Rangers absolutely blow any of their big teams out the water when it comes to league attendances
Our league is seriously undervalued
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19-10-2018 07:01 PM #43Coaching Staff
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I agree. We tend to undersell ourselves badly in this country. Originally Posted by Montford
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19-10-2018 07:16 PM #44Testimonial Due
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Great post, totally agree. Originally Posted by Montford
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However, I don't think the Turkish tv deal is outlandish because it will be based on potential viewers, the amount of fans at the games is almost irrelevant.
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19-10-2018 07:38 PM #45First Team Breakthrough
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That’s the crux of the matter Originally Posted by wallpaperman
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However, when you compare to Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria; some of those countries get 3 or 4 times as much as Scotland
Same populations. Absolutely paltry attendances in comparison
The SPL has the 8th or 9th highest average attendance in Europe
Better than Portugal, Greece, Belgium, Russia, Poland, Turkey and the above mentioned countries
Has some fantastic footballing environments
Major interest from Ireland (mostly north) and 3 or 4 million Scots ancestry in England
Plus the old firms curiosity value all around Europe
It’s absolutely staggering that our entire league is worth 1/5 of Huddersfield’s or Bournemouth’s TV money
In any other industry the chief executive would be hounded out
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19-10-2018 08:07 PM #46First Team Breakthrough
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Fanaticism and attendance are not necessarily linked. Football is prohibitively expensive for many average turks but football on TV is a bigger deal than it is here. Originally Posted by Montford
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19-10-2018 08:37 PM #47Testimonial Due
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Regarding TV and TV deals, do other countries have the same problem (well other countries outside Scotland, Wales, N.I and R.o.I) were-by you'll have thousands if not hundreds of thousands completely by-passing any interest in their own domestic football leagues and focusing on a foreign league, i.e the english premier league?
In Denmark would a pub show Dortmund v Hertha Berlin over FC Copenhagen v someone? Would you struggle to watch Boavista v Sporting as everyone prefers to watch La Liga etc etc? Wonder if the fact plenty Scots choose the Premier League over Scottish football has any bearing on TV deals?
Regarding Eleven Sports i'd be happy if they got some rights along with BT. The experts obviously think streaming is the future, the DAZN $365m 10 fight boxing deal kinda proves that!
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19-10-2018 09:50 PM #48First Team Breakthrough
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The best games (Brondby, Copenhagen) attract approx 100,000 Originally Posted by scott_b_
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Danish TV games average under 80,000 viewers
SPL games average 220,000 viewers
Danish Supliga gets approx 2 1/2 times more money than the SPFL
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Got to be BT sports , there shows are a hundred times better than sky
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19-10-2018 11:37 PM #50First Team Regular
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Their match coverage is decent but they do nothing during the week. They have no Scottish output unless it is a live game. That is not really promoting the product. Sky had Kamberi on as their main guest tonight. Decent show. Originally Posted by dp00
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I love BT Sport, they're fantastic at promoting our game! Really just hope this raises the price and they remain
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20-10-2018 12:22 PM #52@hibs.net private member
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Originally Posted by Montford
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Yes, there’s a machevellian scheme to keep Scottish football down
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20-10-2018 08:31 PM #53First Team Breakthrough
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It was a ex (Scottish) Sky executive that said it on an interview Originally Posted by McD
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He felt strongly enough to out them for it
Think it was talksport
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20-10-2018 08:34 PM #54First Team Breakthrough
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His words were along the lines that they absolutely did not want any competition to the EPL as that was central to their business model and it was cheaper just to pay a nominal fee for Scottish football than to prevent a rival broadcaster getting it Originally Posted by Montford
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Bit like sellicks transfer model then? Totally believe it Originally Posted by Montford
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20-10-2018 09:33 PM #56Coaching Staff
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...onger-10130604
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20-10-2018 10:26 PM #57First Team Regular
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It is not as if Richard Keys has a grudge right enough! Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Also, when they lost the league in 2002, they still had the Cup and internationals, so it did exist.
Plus they bid £120 million for the rights in 2008 but they were knocked back as the League went with Setanta.
The chairman and the league need to get this right, the companies will bid what they want, the league needs to pick the right deal.
If they want kick off times, amount of games live at each ground, money distribution, is all up to the league and hence clubs.
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20-10-2018 10:35 PM #58Coaching Staff
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Refuse to click on that website. Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Montford
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So ‘someone’ said it, on talksport you ‘think’? And his words were ‘along the lines of’? The detail is great.
And yet, the ‘along the lines of’ statement, is exactly the situation as things stand - another broadcaster does have it, in tandem with sky.
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21-10-2018 02:35 PM #60First Team Breakthrough
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There may not be a "machevellian scheme" to hinder Scottish football, but there is without a doubt strong disdain for Scottish football that comes from South of the border, you don't see this same contempt for the WPL, NIFL or IPD. When Scottish football gets any type of recognition or attention in online media from English Centric media, you see swarms of English football fans feeling the need to have a dig at our game, and IMO this does hinder our game.
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