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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Itís just the whole on tour concert vibe which is usually reserved for live artists that doesnít sit well with me. Each to their own though.
    It's part live, part recorded. Like loads of gigs.

    It's just that images of one of the artists is recorded, not just the voice and music as is usual.


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    I saw the late Carrie Fisher in Star Wars last year, and I regularly see films of deceased people on TV.

    Morecambe and Wise, for example, are wall to wall on TV every Christmas.

    What's the difference in enjoying those people's performances, and one of Amy Winehouse's?
    It's the concept of making it a 'live' performance I find morbid.

    People die and they leave behind remnants of themselves in various ways, I have a picture of my Granny in my living room as an example. I don't think there's a suggestion when someone dies we obliterate all trace of them. It's the idea of animating the memory, creating the buzz and atmosphere of live performance and projecting a characterisation based on snapshots of recordings and imagery that I find very uncomfortable and quite different from watching one of the hundreds of thousands of films starring deceased actors or buying the various consumer goods that bear the name of their creators.

    The whole thing reminds me of the 'Be Right Back' episode of Black Mirror. The incomplete recreation of a person using a jumbled together catalogue of memories and 'evidence'. Each to their own but it's not for me.

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    I think it will become more common place and people will eventually take it for granted. I can understand why folk might initially balk at the idea, I know I did, but after thinking it through, I see no logical reason to be wary.

    It's a new form of visual and auditory entertainment. And, as someone else has already pointed out rather bluntly, living artists could also perform this way.
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    I have seen both forms of Queen since Freddie Mercury died, with Paul Rogers and Adam Lambert as the lead singer.

    During those concert, Freddie comes on stage to sing love of my life, if you dont know the song, google it, its a fantastic piece of work.

    He comes on obviously on video, and its done as if Brian May is next to him as a duo, which was how it was done when he was alive.

    Its a magical moment, that everyone there loves and enjoys.

    Although i'm not sure i'd like it if he was back on stage all of the concert, im not sure how the hologram works, but i cant see how they would be able to move it around like a proper concert.

    Saying that she didnt seem to move around much so it might not be as much of a problem compared to a rock band like Queen?

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    I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.

    The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.

    The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.
    Good point, never thought of it that way.

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    Given some of the unrealistic expectations that we place on these people in the music industry, it's perhaps an apt metaphor - machine-like performances that go night after night.

    Having said that, I find the entire notion of it unpalatable, but as someone point out, the notion of an Elvis or similar hologram event doesn't seem quite so nauseating.

    It was suggested shortly after Chester Bennington died, that Linkin Park continue using a hologram/recorded voice component. I'd rather see one of my favourite bands call it a day than rely on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    I think part of what makes it seem so creepy is that it isn't that long since she was alive.

    The idea of going to see something like an Elvis hologram doesn't seem nearly as distasteful.
    It doesn't seem to bother her family, who stand to make a packet out of a forthcoming bio-pic.

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    The recency of her death does intensify the moral dilemma, but although it was just over 7 years ago, for younger people, that's an age. It's literalky half a lifetime for someone who was 14 in July 2011.

    I'm actually surprised that I have reacted do positively towards the concept because I'm as superstitious as anyone when it comes to death.

    For example, I find it extremely difficult to delete the phone numbers of friends and relatives who have died, and it's nearly impossible for me to throw out the order of service if it has their photo on the cover.

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    Love Amy and it pains me a bit I won't ever see her live.

    A hologram show won't change that but it might still be a fun gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    The recency of her death does intensify the moral dilemma, but although it was just over 7 years ago, for younger people, that's an age. It's literalky half a lifetime for someone who was 14 in July 2011.

    I'm actually surprised that I have reacted do positively towards the concept because I'm as superstitious as anyone when it comes to death.

    For example, I find it extremely difficult to delete the phone numbers of friends and relatives who have died, and it's nearly impossible for me to throw out the order of service if it has their photo on the cover.
    Great typo btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Great typo btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    It's a different medium, but it's just a recording like any other.

    I bet more people see James Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life every year than will see a hologram recording of Amy Winehouse.
    It's not just a different broadcast medium for existing recordings though, the artists are being re-animated to create new content. In all the examples you have provided the artists has consented to the work being produced but with these holograms, the visual fx artists can essentially make holograms say or do anything. (See Marilyn Monroe selling perfume from beyond the grave).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Great typo btw.
    Literalky or do?

    Or summat else I've missed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    Literalky or do?

    Or summat else I've missed?
    Combining literally and alky in a thread about treating Amy Winehouse's legacy sensitively is a beauty.

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    Is there a Doors tribute or Hendrix? I have seen most of my heroes but I would love to to see thse dudes. Also Otis Redding and Elvis and Frank Sinatra and so on........

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpj View Post
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    Is there a Doors tribute or Hendrix? I have seen most of my heroes but I would love to to see thse dudes. Also Otis Redding and Elvis and Frank Sinatra and so on........
    Roy Orbison 'was in' Edinburgh not so long ago!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Combining literally and alky in a thread about treating Amy Winehouse's legacy sensitively is a beauty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Roy Orbison 'was in' Edinburgh not so long ago!
    In dreams......

    I guess it will be a cheap method of touring, I can imagine a sneering John Lydon sitting at home while the Pistols hollogram tour creates virtual anarchy.
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    If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.
    Maybe the Kinks and Oasis can do a brother bashing tour to save us having to read about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    If this catches on, our busy, hard-pressed singing stars could just send their hologram on tour around the world while they concentrate on more important things like talking to their agents and getting off their faces.
    If folk want to see a show like that, I'm all for it.

    For one thing, it would be a good sight cheaper than seeing the band live and it would be a much better experience compared to watching the DVD in the living room.
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    Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peevemor View Post
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    Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.
    Assuming it's a 90 minute show, we'd be able to enjoy his winning goal at the PBS then relax for 88 minutes as it didn't show his unseen work.

    I envisage a hologram of ethereal players running, walking, pointing and a sound track of vague shouts, mumbles and noises.

    The show wouldn't have a fixed end, rather it would continue until the audience lost interest and left, with the final act being a scruffy looking roadie shrugging and switching the lights off.

    I'd pay good money for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peevemor View Post
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    Reading this thread has me speculating re. the enigma that was Brian Kerr's short Hibs career.
    Ha ha! Good post. A few Hibs men have hologrammed their way to a salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    Good point, never thought of it that way.
    Maybe it has also got something to do with the way that she died?

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