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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbutdim View Post
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    I guess itís no surprise to see Haigís name on these deplorable accounts :-(


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    I guess itís no surprise to see Haigís name on these deplorable accounts :-(
    If I'm reading those accounts correctly, they make a whopping loss on the sale of poppies. The related costs are about twice the income.

    Not that profit is the main issue, of course, but it does demonstrate the need to find alternative income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    I guess itís no surprise to see Haigís name on these deplorable accounts :-(
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    What do you mean?
    Itís an ironic statement regarding Field Marshal Douglas Haigís grasp on numbersÖÖHope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    Itís an ironic statement regarding Field Marshal Douglas Haigís grasp on numbersÖÖHope that helps.
    It does, very much. I didn't get the joke that's all.

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    There is no Joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    There is no Joke.
    Right you are then. Perhaps some irony? (Can't remember if you said it was ironic, but I certainly think it is.)

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    Just seems more militarist merchandise for conspicuous acts of remembrance. What does it say? That we remember Hibs fans only? That Hibs were uniquely involved? That Hibs fans remember? I donít see the point of the tie up.

    But then, I donít wear the poppy and havenít done so probably since I was at school. Every year, it seems to get increasingly mawkish, commercialised and pious. I donít want to be part of that.

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    Just seems more militarist merchandise for conspicuous acts of remembrance. What does it say? That we remember Hibs fans only? That Hibs were uniquely involved? That Hibs fans remember? I don’t see the point of the tie up.

    But then, I don’t wear the poppy and haven’t done so probably since I was at school. Every year, it seems to get increasingly mawkish, commercialised and pious. I don’t want to be part of that.
    PoppyScotland is doing what it can to raise money for their aim. If that means sticking a football club badge on a pin badge, why not? It’s not really any different from Marie Curie selling Christmas cards (unless cancer has an association with Christmas that I’m missing).

    I have a PoppyScotland cycling bottle for what it’s worth. I’ve never even thought about if I’m doing a disservice to ex-servicemen who jog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefster View Post
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    PoppyScotland is doing what it can to raise money for their aim. If that means sticking a football club badge on a pin badge, why not? Itís not really any different from Marie Curie selling Christmas cards (unless cancer has an association with Christmas that Iím missing).

    I have a PoppyScotland cycling bottle for what itís worth. Iíve never even thought about if Iím doing a disservice to ex-servicemen who jog.
    Pretty much this.

    At the end of the day, I'm sure there will be people who like to wear the Hibs crest and do so in any way they can; it makes commercial sense for businesses therefore to have these sort of tie-ins with clubs.

    They seem to have them for 10 different clubs; I don't know if they were selected as 10 or if all were approached and only these 10 wanted to accept/got the message - but it seems like a reasonable decision to me. Good luck to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steakbake View Post
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    Just seems more militarist merchandise for conspicuous acts of remembrance. What does it say? That we remember Hibs fans only? That Hibs were uniquely involved? That Hibs fans remember? I donít see the point of the tie up.

    But then, I donít wear the poppy and havenít done so probably since I was at school. Every year, it seems to get increasingly mawkish, commercialised and pious. I donít want to be part of that.
    It does seem to start earlier each year. Back in the 60s there wasn't all this fuss - remembrance events on the Sunday and that was it. And that involved folk who'd actually fought in the World Wars don't forget.

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    It does seem to start earlier each year. Back in the 60s there wasn't all this fuss - remembrance events on the Sunday and that was it. And that involved folk who'd actually fought in the World Wars don't forget.
    I've made this point before. The Remembrance period seems to have evolved as the number of people who actually saw the horrors of the Great War decreased and has now become a past generation. It may be the mists of time but as a young boy I was always almost awestruck when I saw an old guy standing with a solitary medal, maybe 2 or 3, selling poppies. My memory is people pinned one to their jacket for a few days, observed a silence on Armistice Day and again on Remembrance Sunday then quietly took them off for another year. I was always impressed by that; there was a quiet, understated dignity that just seemed to fit. Increasingly I find reference to words like 'celebrate' and I don't like it at all. It doesn't fit and it's wrong. The fact more attention was paid to the centenary of the start of the war than is being given to the end of it is wrong. I suppose part of it is the social media generation: 'look at me I'M REMEMBERING, not only that but I'm remembering better than you'.

    WWI wasn't a group of dashing young heroes who went on a jolly to the continent to give the Kaiser a bit of a licking. It was an imperial and political war fought by huge numbers of scared young boys many of whom had little choice in the matter. It was a war that saw the most vulnerable families ruthlessly exploited at home by opportunists, it was a war of attrition that saw millions from all walks of life ruthlessly slaughtered.

    I always think Harry Patch summed it up quite nicely:

    'I felt then as I feel now that the politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder.'

    I'll happily stick a few pound in a collection tin to help dp the job the government should be doing but I won't be playing any other part in the whole charade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    It does seem to start earlier each year. Back in the 60s there wasn't all this fuss - remembrance events on the Sunday and that was it. And that involved folk who'd actually fought in the World Wars don't forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I've made this point before. The Remembrance period seems to have evolved as the number of people who actually saw the horrors of the Great War decreased and has now become a past generation. It may be the mists of time but as a young boy I was always almost awestruck when I saw an old guy standing with a solitary medal, maybe 2 or 3, selling poppies. My memory is people pinned one to their jacket for a few days, observed a silence on Armistice Day and again on Remembrance Sunday then quietly took them off for another year. I was always impressed by that; there was a quiet, understated dignity that just seemed to fit. Increasingly I find reference to words like 'celebrate' and I don't like it at all. It doesn't fit and it's wrong. The fact more attention was paid to the centenary of the start of the war than is being given to the end of it is wrong. I suppose part of it is the social media generation: 'look at me I'M REMEMBERING, not only that but I'm remembering better than you'.

    WWI wasn't a group of dashing young heroes who went on a jolly to the continent to give the Kaiser a bit of a licking. It was an imperial and political war fought by huge numbers of scared young boys many of whom had little choice in the matter. It was a war that saw the most vulnerable families ruthlessly exploited at home by opportunists, it was a war of attrition that saw millions from all walks of life ruthlessly slaughtered.

    I always think Harry Patch summed it up quite nicely:

    'I felt then as I feel now that the politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder.'

    I'll happily stick a few pound in a collection tin to help dp the job the government should be doing but I won't be playing any other part in the whole charade.


    my childhood experiences are very similar to yours PB, which left me feeling very similar to yourself. Quiet respect and dignity was the way it was observed and commemorated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    It does seem to start earlier each year. Back in the 60s there wasn't all this fuss - remembrance events on the Sunday and that was it. And that involved folk who'd actually fought in the World Wars don't forget.
    Agree with you here, HT.

    I donít know when officially the first poppies are seen on TV but itíll be soon. In my hometown, there was a scarecrow competition in June and the winner was of course a Ďlest we forgetí themed garden complete with poppies. I donít know how I feel about that because I canít take it seriously.

    Iíve got no issue with the principle of it - I just think itís been captured by a different element which takes it away from what it once was. Itís an interesting point about those who lived through it marked it in a different way. Iím sure thereís something to that and definitely remember growing up seeing a number of the local old folks who were decorated.
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    People will jump on the back of any cause they can think of if it'll get them a few extra likes these days. Me? I'll just stick to popping a few quid in a box and wear my non-football related Poppy as I've done every year for as long as I can remember.

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