Tomorrow's referee

[Hibbyradge]

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who won't even let you look at an opposition player in a bad tone of voice never mind tackle them.

[Hermit Crab]

If the players do their jobs properly we wont need to worry about the referee.

[MWHIBBIES]

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I love the weekly ref bashing threads. If we play well and put the ball in the net a few times it won't matter how bad the ref is.

Yeah, it's that simple. Refereeing decisions drastically change games, especially games like tomorrow where a first goal could change it big time. If Dundee get it they'll defend and make it hard for us.

[Pretty Boy]

Remember we had a legitimate goal by Jordon Forster ruled out at Tynecastle? That cost us at least a point that day and contributed to our relegation. Or the handball incident in the play off 1st leg v Falkirk? Or the failure to send a player off for a professional foul in the 2nd leg?

That's 3 games in which poor refereeing decisions impacted the outcome of the game and ultimately a season. The idea that if 'the players do their job then the ref doesn't matter' is a nonsense. Football is a game of variables and the referee is one of them.

[J-C]

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Remember we had a legitimate goal by Jordon Forster ruled out at Tynecastle? That cost us at least a point that day and contributed to our relegation. Or the handball incident in the play off 1st leg v Falkirk? Or the failure to send a player off for a professional foul in the 2nd leg?

That's 3 games in which poor refereeing decisions impacted the outcome of the game and ultimately a season. The idea that if 'the players do their job then the ref doesn't matter' is a nonsense. Football is a game of variables and the referee is one of them.

Doesn't matter how well you play if the ref rules out a perfectly good goal, ignores a perfectly good penalty claim or send off a player for a perfectly good tackle then that can impact the outcome.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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You don't know the meaning of literally do you?

I get you, but in context I think it is literal

[staunchhibby]

Bit ott calling the Maltese ref a prat.He was a breathe of fresh air after some of the refs from our own association

[Hibbyradge]

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Bit ott calling the Maltese ref a prat.He was a breathe of fresh air after some of the refs from our own association

I didn't notice any real difference.

If anything, the players didn't act up as much as usual but that would have been because they didn't know how he'd react.

Give him a few games in the league and the players would have worked him out.

[brog]

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Every team in the league thinks that. Sevco just said everyone is against them. Celtc had a ref followed because they thought he was a mason.

Anyway, here's the article I mentioned. It transpires it's 98% accuracy, not 95%,

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ials-get-right

Its an interesting but very strange article D. They're actually saying about 2/3 of the decisions are non decisions, ie the ref does nothing. That's nonsensical, how do they possibly know if the ref saw a potential offence & ignored it or didnt see it at all? Including non decisions skews the stats. They would then come out about 85/90% which is what i would expect. As a former ref i honestly think this is a piece of propaganda which wouldnt stand up to detailed scrutiny.

[Hibbyradge]

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Its an interesting but very strange article D. They're actually saying about 2/3 of the decisions are non decisions, ie the ref does nothing. That's nonsensical, how do they possibly know if the ref saw a potential offence & ignored it or didnt see it at all? Including non decisions skews the stats. They would then come out about 85/90% which is what i would expect. As a former ref i honestly think this is a piece of propaganda which wouldnt stand up to detailed scrutiny.

I guess that every time players come together in a tussle or a tackle, there's a decision to be made.

If the ref does nothing, he's decided there was no foul. Shoulder to shoulder, shielding the ball etc all have fans shouting for a free kick but the referee decides if it is or isn't.

[matty_f]

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Remember we had a legitimate goal by Jordon Forster ruled out at Tynecastle? That cost us at least a point that day and contributed to our relegation. Or the handball incident in the play off 1st leg v Falkirk? Or the failure to send a player off for a professional foul in the 2nd leg?

That's 3 games in which poor refereeing decisions impacted the outcome of the game and ultimately a season. The idea that if 'the players do their job then the ref doesn't matter' is a nonsense. Football is a game of variables and the referee is one of them.

That's a perfect example of the players doing their jobs properly and the ref impacting the game. It's unrealistic to say that players doing their job negates a bad referee. Same can be said for Griffiths' and Shaw's 'goals'.

In all three instances the players did their jobs properly.

[bigwheel]

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That's a perfect example of the players doing their jobs properly and the ref impacting the game. It's unrealistic to say that players doing their job negates a bad referee. Same can be said for Griffiths' and Shaw's 'goals'.

In all three instances the players did their jobs properly.

They did ..and those were really big impact decisions . Referees do impact results - but we will have had favourable decisions that also impact big results too...we just don’t recall them in the same way - because you don’t analyse them the same way..

The fact still stands that it will be our playing performances that dictate how this season goes much more than ref decisions..

[SideBurns]

We quickly forget the decisions that have gone for us, and the refs that gave those decisions. I can accept the borderline mistakes (marginal offsides, tackles/ handballs which are open to interpretation) because we are as likely to benefit from them as other teams (in theory).

It is the horrendous ones which live long in the memory and are harder to forgive. The Forster one which was mentioned for example - he was played several yards onside by a Hearts defender and the linesman gave some ludicrous explanation about not being able to see the player who was standing in his line of sight and closer to him than big Jordon. Incompetence to this degree just makes you angry. Thankfully, examples such as this are relatively rare, but when they happen to us they always seem to cost us points.

[Famous Fiver]

I read an article the other day about corruption in Algerian league football, much of it involving referees.

I am reluctant to put our refs in the same category, I prefer to think ours are simply incompetent. I can only pray that Mr Dallas's incompetence does not affect only one side tomorrow.Give us an even break and we will win.

[Hibbyradge]

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I read an article the other day about corruption in Algerian league football, much of it involving referees.

I am reluctant to put our refs in the same category, I prefer to think ours are simply incompetent. I can only pray that Mr Dallas's incompetence does not affect only one side tomorrow.Give us an even break and we will win.

Didn't we get an even break against Livi?

[brog]

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I guess that every time players come together in a tussle or a tackle, there's a decision to be made.

If the ref does nothing, he's decided there was no foul. Shoulder to shoulder, shielding the ball etc all have fans shouting for a free kick but the referee decides if it is or isn't.

Or as i said, the ref doesn't even notice it. Genuinely, how can anyone differentiate? Also who decides latterly that the ref was correct? Did some ex ref look at the Falkirk player, McCracken IIRC, swatting the ball away then kicking SJM & agree that was a correct non action? The old dictum of lies, damn lies & statistics seems appropriate here.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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We quickly forget the decisions that have gone for us, and the refs that gave those decisions. I can accept the borderline mistakes (marginal offsides, tackles/ handballs which are open to interpretation) because we are as likely to benefit from them as other teams (in theory).

It is the horrendous ones which live long in the memory and are harder to forgive. The Forster one which was mentioned for example - he was played several yards onside by a Hearts defender and the linesman gave some ludicrous explanation about not being able to see the player who was standing in his line of sight and closer to him than big Jordon. Incompetence to this degree just makes you angry. Thankfully, examples such as this are relatively rare, but when they happen to us they always seem to cost us points.

And always seem to be against Hearts. The Forster offside, Griffiths and Shaw goals(Shaws to a lesser extent although it was still absolutely blatant in real time imo) and ‘that’ penalty in the cup final are genuinely as bad as any 4 refereeing decisions you are likely to see at any level of football.

[Tornadoes70]

Let's be honest here. A referee can influence a football match just as a jockey on a horse can influence how the horse runs. The good referees are rarely noticed much as their decisions are by and by rated mostly fairly by both sets of fans however a referee that is very poor or is deliberately tilting the playing field will always irate at least one set of supporters. I fail to understand how any Hibernian supporter could claim otherwise as the number of crucial decisions that have went against us in meaningful matches far outweighs the ones that went for us.

However, in saying that we need to be strong and always very vociferously call out the refs that are either very poor or tilting a match for the other side and never be afraid to make the case. The days of dodgy refereeing must be on the way out especially with Var and future technology being introduced.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[overdrive]

I actually he thought he was the best referee we’ve had so far this season. Doesn’t detract from the fact he is only where he is due to nepotism.

[PatHead]

Who is referee tomorrow?

[guidref]

Refereeing isbroken down into 2 separate aspects

1: Application of the laws of the game: The LOTG are prescribed by FIFA andwhilst they are not difficult the majority of players, managers andsupporters do not understand them. The application of the LOTG is “in the opinionof the referee” and the majority of decisions are correct


2: Game management:This is a completely different kettle of fish and is something that can’t reallybe taught but has to be learned.
I have heardpeople saying “ he knows the rules but doesn’t know the game”. I believe thatfor a lot of our ref’s, and certainly for Mr Dallas that is true (In my opinion!)

[sauzee=legend]

Steven McLean

[JimBHibees]

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Steven McLean

Hope he is better than he was in the 1-0 home defeat to Aberdeen last season where he let them foul with impunity for a good chunk of that game. Very poor performance from him IMO.

[where'stheslope]

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Let's be honest here. A referee can influence a football match just as a jockey on a horse can influence how the horse runs. The good referees are rarely noticed much as their decisions are by and by rated mostly fairly by both sets of fans however a referee that is very poor or is deliberately tilting the playing field will always irate at least one set of supporters. I fail to understand how any Hibernian supporter could claim otherwise as the number of crucial decisions that have went against us in meaningful matches far outweighs the ones that went for us.

However, in saying that we need to be strong and always very vociferously call out the refs that are either very poor or tilting a match for the other side and never be afraid to make the case. The days of dodgy refereeing must be on the way out especially with Var and future technology being introduced.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

I have always said that no matter what team you support, the ref will be good or bad depending on your team's result!

Bad decisions are always stonewall when for you, and cheating when against you!

Every penalty is a dive against you, but you can always manage to see a touch on our player to make him go down?

Some balls crossing the line and goals not given, are inexcusable but it is usually human error, and not cheating as always said!!

All that said, if all the breaks we don't get even themselves up, we will win the league at a canter, and everyone will be calling us the cheats!!!!

[Kato]

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Some balls crossing the line and goals not given, are inexcusable but it is usually human error, and not cheating as always said!!

Shaw's one was probably human error. Griffiths free-kick at ER, I'm not so sure. Linesman looked shifty (his natural disposition) and gave one story to the players and another to the press.

[matty_f]

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Hope he is better than he was in the 1-0 home defeat to Aberdeen last season where he let them foul with impunity for a good chunk of that game. Very poor performance from him IMO.

He was garbage that day, Aberdeen were very dirty and he constantly let it go. I'm all for letting the game flow etc but that was too far.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Bit ott calling the Maltese ref a prat.He was a breathe of fresh air after some of the refs from our own association

I might be old fashioned but I call a strikebreaking scab as I see him.

[Future17]

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He was garbage that day, Aberdeen were very dirty and he constantly let it go. I'm all for letting the game flow etc but that was too far.

He's notorious for leniency generally. His card stats are low compared to others.

[hfc rd]

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Hope he is better than he was in the 1-0 home defeat to Aberdeen last season where he let them foul with impunity for a good chunk of that game. Very poor performance from him IMO.

He’s been very poor since the final

[JimBHibees]

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Shaw's one was probably human error. Griffiths free-kick at ER, I'm not so sure. Linesman looked shifty (his natural disposition) and gave one story to the players and another to the press.

Agree told players he had clearly seen it not crossing the line then obviously when told TV had clear picture changed that to didnt see it with all ex-refs such as Kenny Clark lining up to back the fact he had missed or chosen to miss a ball 2 yards over the line.