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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    It demonstrates to me that my scepticism shouldn't just be confined to what one side says. Pretty poor show if people are massaging the figures.

    I would sit up and take notice of 100,000 people turning up, as that would suggest a wide spectrum of the population. As it stands, I'm inclined to think that a lot of those attending are the same bams that are putting nationalist flags on motorway bridges, and driving up and down the M90 is convoys to spread the word. Not the sort of people I take very seriously - SNP really needs to keep those in the middle ground onside.
    You are aware that the march was nothing to do with the SNP?

    All Under One Banner is a non party organisation, I met several people who don't vote for the same party as I do yesterday, even the guy with the Sri Lanka for independence flag 😁
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    You are aware that the march was nothing to do with the SNP?

    All Under One Banner is a non party organisation, I met several people who don't vote for the same party as I do yesterday, even the guy with the Sri Lanka for independence flag 😁
    And how many people did you count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    And how many people did you count?
    I didn't, but I know that there were still marchers passing the World's End after 3pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I didn't, but I know that there were still marchers passing the World's End after 3pm

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...75222862555690
    Ah, so there was a fair few on a pub crawl? Wait till the Beeb get a hold of that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Ah, so there was a fair few on a pub crawl? Wait till the Beeb get a hold of that story.
    Which bit of "passing" is it possible to misunderstand?

    Also read the link which is an acceptable method of counting crowds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    Hope this isn't gonna be a new Hibs.net "fact" ..... It was simply on exited woman in the crowd that said it on the BBC, I'm sure the figure of around 20k ish claimed by the organisers and confirmed by the police will be closer to the truth. :D
    20k my arse, atleast treble that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Ah, so there was a fair few on a pub crawl? Wait till the Beeb get a hold of that story.
    Hayley Miller will be screaming at the minister again in her next (totaly unbiased) interview!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Whilst the numbers are hugely impressive be it 20K or 100K does it really tell us anything about the desire for another referendum? The zeal of the converted and all that. A load of people who believe in independence and want another referendum attended a march. Did they convince anyone else? We already know a very sizeable minority want another vote. I passed the march on my way to ER and it was visually spectacular and seemed in a very good spirt. Those ****ing whistles were annoying though!!

    The current polls are far more indicative of the apetite for a referendum and that's were the focus of the Yes/Indyref2 canpaign should now be as it seems there's been a shift in their favour. That's more important than getting into an argument about how many people attended yesterday imo.
    A lot of EU nationals, residents in Scotland attended, I would say that they have been converted since 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Which bit of "passing" is it possible to misunderstand?

    Also read the link which is an acceptable method of counting crowds.
    Em.......

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    this yoon turns up at most AUOB marches and has affectionately been nicknamed 'MANKY' ...for a couple of obvious reasons



    anyways, the final factual figures are thus

    Police cameras recorded 193,000 individual marchers and 386 bikers.


    the polis never lie therefore Fact and end of....awrite




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    Quote Originally Posted by pacoluna View Post
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    20k my arse, atleast treble that.
    My comment was based on what I'd read... Since seeing some footage and reading/hearing a bit more I'm coming around to your line of thinking...

    I do also agree with PB tho, numbers are largely irrelevant (as long as a lot turned up). Over egging things just gives others free ammunition.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    this yoon turns up at most AUOB marches and has affectionately been nicknamed 'MANKY' ...for a couple of obvious reasons



    anyways, the final factual figures are thus

    Police cameras recorded 193,000 individual marchers and 386 bikers.


    the polis never lie therefore Fact and end of....awrite
    I don't remember giving the police permission to photograph my physog!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    this yoon turns up at most AUOB marches and has affectionately been nicknamed 'MANKY' ...for a couple of obvious reasons



    anyways, the final factual figures are thus

    Police cameras recorded 193,000 individual marchers and 386 bikers.


    the polis never lie therefore Fact and end of....awrite
    Do police cameras have that capability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I don't remember giving the police permission to photograph my physog!


    amendment/copyright has been made :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    amendment/copyright has been made :)
    Thanks. I have copyright on my intellectual property 😉
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    this yoon turns up at most AUOB marches and has affectionately been nicknamed 'MANKY' ...for a couple of obvious reasons



    anyways, the final factual figures are thus

    Police cameras recorded 193,000 individual marchers and 386 bikers.


    the polis never lie therefore Fact and end of....awrite




    *amendment, gadgy/female in photo copyright of GF
    I have been looking for the police Scotland statement about the number but can't find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I have been looking for the police Scotland statement about the number but can't find it.
    There isn't one. Just a lot of people repeating one unsubstantiated claim about police cameras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frazerbob View Post
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    Agree with this. We commented whilst walking away from the rally that the speakers were preaching to the wrong crowd. Those in attendance had decided. Itís those that are swayable that need targeted. However, the publicity from yesterday will do no harm at all.
    Thing is, this was about making a statement and keeping Independence in the front of peoples minds. You are right, they were preaching to the choir, but that was always going to be the case yesterday.

    How do we engage with the floating voters and those pissed off with Brexit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    Thing is, this was about making a statement and keeping Independence in the front of peoples minds. You are right, they were preaching to the choir, but that was always going to be the case yesterday.

    How do we engage with the floating voters and those pissed off with Brexit?

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    One thing for this floating voter is not to come out with untrustworthy figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    One thing for this floating voter is not to come out with untrustworthy figures.
    TBH, unless you (and I mean anyone) was there with a counter itís always a guess.

    We can all agree 20,000 (only 3,000 more than at ER yesterday) is a joke of a figure. Iíd be curious as to why this is being perpetuated as a realistic figure.

    What I was impressed by is the grass roots activism that brought about quite possible the biggest march in modern Scottish history.

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    TBH, unless you (and I mean anyone) was there with a counter itís always a guess.

    We can all agree 20,000 (only 3,000 more than at ER yesterday) is a joke of a figure. Iíd be curious as to why this is being perpetuated as a realistic figure.

    What I was impressed by is the grass roots activism that brought about quite possible the biggest march in modern Scottish history.

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    The 20,000 was from Edinburgh City Council. It was reported on the Police Scotland statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    The 20,000 was from Edinburgh City Council. It was reported on the Police Scotland statement.
    My point exactly, anyone with eyes can tell that figure is a work of fiction.

    Why would they do that? What is the motive to downplay the figures?

    Its almost as if they want the people who arenít there to believe that it was less significant than it actually was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    The 20,000 was from Edinburgh City Council. It was reported on the Police Scotland statement.
    The people who gave us the trams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    My point exactly, anyone with eyes can tell that figure is a work of fiction.

    Why would they do that? What is the motive to downplay the figures?

    Its almost as if they want the people who arenít there to believe that it was less significant than it actually was.

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    And the people that were there seem to want to grossly inflate the numbers that were.

    As it is I think the authorities often under estimate numbers while organizers over estimate...not the first time Iíve seen such discrepancies and it doesnít seem to matter what the event is so Iím not reading too much Ďagendaí into either.

    But that said Itís a bit of an odd argument to be honest as the turn out was large, probably one of the largest marches for a long time.

    That in itself should be enough for most although again the numbers donít really say that much we didnít know already. There is a large section of the population that have Indy as a key thing they will vote for and turn out to support. The numbers nor the March itself doesnít change that (or much at all really but hey ho each to their own).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    TBH, unless you (and I mean anyone) was there with a counter itís always a guess.

    We can all agree 20,000 (only 3,000 more than at ER yesterday) is a joke of a figure. Iíd be curious as to why this is being perpetuated as a realistic figure.

    What I was impressed by is the grass roots activism that brought about quite possible the biggest march in modern Scottish history.

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    Yes, but the 100,000 is not a realistic figure either - and I expected better from a movement that criticises fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Yes, but the 100,000 is not a realistic figure either - and I expected better from a movement that criticises fake news.
    Why is the 100k figure unrealistic? Having seen the footage from Holyrood Park with a massive crowd already gathered while marchers were still assembling at the top of the Royal Mile I'd say it is quite possible that 100k attended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    Thing is, this was about making a statement and keeping Independence in the front of peoples minds. You are right, they were preaching to the choir, but that was always going to be the case yesterday.

    How do we engage with the floating voters and those pissed off with Brexit?

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    Simple.

    Convince them that it is in their interests to have an Indy Scotland.

    Until the equation in the middle classes is tipped towards it being less of a risk, or such an enormous benefit that any risks are outweighed, people won't vote for it.

    A very credible economic plan is a must, but is obviously difficult to deliver.

    Brexit may well be what tips the scales, we will have to wait and see. Otherwise, I just don't see enough in the Indy proposition to make it worth thousands of people risking their good jobs and enviable lifestyles for.

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    Although there was a SNP guy on TV this morning saying they will tell us soon, so look forward to that.

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    What's the credible economic plan within the UK?

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    For those who are still questioning the 100,000 figure an accepted method of calculation of crowds was used.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...75222862555690
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