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[The_Horde]

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Knowing one or two died in the wool jumbos, the dads would be proud of their sons on that showing. I've never actually met one solitary jumbo who is anti bigotry.

This. Also think these hertz bams are the reason some believe we have sectarian elements. The logic that obviously hearts must be that way for a reason and that reason must be retaliation to their rivals.

[Baader]

Embarrassing. Thickos. They really are Huns without bus fares.

[stuart-farquhar]

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Embarrassing. Thickos. They really are Huns without bus fares.

They were worse in the old days. It died a bit.

But they were and remain and old Edinburgh protestant club with moderate and extreme wings.

That's it really.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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This. Also think these hertz bams are the reason some believe we have sectarian elements. The logic that obviously hearts must be that way for a reason and that reason must be retaliation to their rivals.

No they aren't, not in my opinion. But two wrongs don't make a right and I for one have said many times on this forum that any ramping up of the stuff from the 70s by our supporters would lead to a tit for tat situation, and I still believe that. I would certainly hope none of our fans would look at these idiots and think it a good idea to copy their diet west coast bigotry stuff.

As for the guy you quoted …. I don't know what circles he moves in, but I've met plenty of Hearts fans who have absolutely no time for the Billy boy stuff and nonsense.

[greenlex]

We have some real rockets in our support too. Particularly away from home.

[Elephant Stone]

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We have some real rockets in our support too. Particularly away from home.

Same with all football clubs then. We don't seem to have a large faction who are into religious bigotry though.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Knowing one or two died in the wool jumbos, the dads would be proud of their sons on that showing. I've never actually met one solitary jumbo who is anti bigotry.

Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. Plenty of decent Jambo’s who like some of us follow their team with not a hint of bigotry and then just like us they have an element of erseholes who use football as an excuse to drag their knuckles whether it be through religious bigotry or other means.

[Ozyhibby]

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We have some real rockets in our support too. Particularly away from home.

They are pretty isolated though. No way would you get as many as in that video singing anything even mildly offensive.


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[Elephant Stone]

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Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. Plenty of decent Jambo’s who like some of us follow their team with not a hint of bigotry and then just like us they have an element of erseholes who use football as an excuse to drag their knuckles whether it be through religious bigotry or other means.

Eh?

[Hermit Crab]

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No like you to be stickin up for the poppy theives right enough! As you do it so much, you arenae perhaps Mr budge?

Use the ignore function if you're not happy...

[we are hibs]

It's a myth that it's a minority. I've heard whole stands singing that ***** at Easter Road and most of their ground at tynecastle. They're a bunch of bigoted tramps with about 2 brain cells between them.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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It's a myth that it's a minority. I've heard whole stands singing that ***** at Easter Road and most of their ground at tynecastle. They're a bunch of bigoted tramps with about 2 brain cells between them.

I hear you mate, but I don't think it's right to portray the Yams as just a smaller Rangers. They certainly have those types amongst them, always have, but there are plenty who don't give a toss about religious bammery. The weird anti-Catholic obsession and paranoia which is endemic at Rangers isn't on the same scale at Hearts. I'm not denying there are some horrible right wing loyalist tramps who support them, but it doesn't define the club as it does at Rangers. I'm sure we all know Jambos who just support their team and have no involvement with anything else.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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We have some real rockets in our support too. Particularly away from home.

Sorry pal but why is this brought up every time there is a post about other supporters (mostly hearts or rangers) behaving poorly

No one is claiming that hibs fans are all angels

We don't sing the billy boys (or celtic related equivalent) or about our players hating jews

I am delighted there isn't footage (almost every week) of our support doing such things

There is a real nasty and bigoted element that has crept into the hearts support. They seem to take union flags (oh no not a flag debate) and sing Gorgie Billy Boys openly at the games - I hope Budge does something about this and promptly before it really gets out of hand

We're not perfect but we certainly don't fall to this level

[Smartie]

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I hear you mate, but I don't think it's right to portray the Yams as just a smaller Rangers. They certainly have those types amongst them, always have, but there are plenty who don't give a toss about religious bammery. The weird anti-Catholic obsession and paranoia which is endemic at Rangers isn't on the same scale at Hearts. I'm not denying there are some horrible right wing loyalist tramps who support them, but it doesn't define the club as it does at Rangers. I'm sure we all know Jambos who just support their team and have no involvement with anything else.

I know a few Catholic jambos. I wonder what they make of this nonsense.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Sorry pal but why is this brought up every time there is a post about other supporters (mostly hearts or rangers) behaving poorly

No one is claiming that hibs fans are all angels

We don't sing the billy boys (or celtic related equivalent) or about our players hating jews

I am delighted there isn't footage (almost every week) of our support doing such things

There is a real nasty and bigoted element that has crept into the hearts support. They seem to take union flags (oh no not a flag debate) and sing Gorgie Billy Boys openly at the games - I hope Budge does something about this and promptly before it really gets out of hand

We're not perfect but we certainly don't fall to this level

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I know a few Catholic jambos. I wonder what they make of this nonsense.

Aye, I know a couple. They don't find it such a problem they would walk away from the club. I've asked them about the issue, and they don't feel the nutters are representative of most Hearts fans. I'd be interested to get their reaction to that video, however.

[Carheenlea]

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I know a few Catholic jambos. I wonder what they make of this nonsense.

Likewise, I know a family of Hearts fans who celebrate Mass every Sunday. One was an alter boy yesterday morning. Always wondered what they make of the Billy Boys, Fenian Blood and anti catholic bigotry at Tynecastle. Doesn’t put them off anyway as all seasons ticket holders and manage to fall under every other Hearts supporting stereotype apart from the sectarianism.

[green day]

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Aye, I know a couple. They don't find it such a problem they would walk away from the club. I've asked them about the issue, and they don't feel the nutters are representative of most Hearts fans. I'd be interested to get their reaction to that video, however.

The video has appeared on a fair few forums and social media now.

The overriding reaction among Hearts fans appears to be that "all clubs have their fair share of radges" and that "this is just deflection from other clubs jealous that hearts are top of the league"

None of the responses I have seen suggested to me that the "average" Hearts fan gives a toss about sectarian singing.

Regarding your mates, wonder what it would be like if they were black? And Hearts fans were singing about coons or nignogs - certainly the media would (rightly) be going mental about it, but perhaps sectarianism is so embedded in (some) parts of Scottish culture that nobody really cares?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Just when you think they couldn't get more odious 😷

[Pretty Boy]

Anti Catholic bigotry is endemic across Scotland. The idea of it being a 'secret shame' is laughable, it's evident in numerous spheres and there is no will to do anything about it.

It's disappointing so many in that video appear to have jumped on the bandwagon but not really surprising. They probably heard it from their Dads who heard it from theirs and so on; it's normalised behaviour and I doubt many in the video even considered they were doing anything really wrong.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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The video has appeared on a fair few forums and social media now.

The overriding reaction among Hearts fans appears to be that "all clubs have their fair share of radges" and that "this is just deflection from other clubs jealous that hearts are top of the league"

None of the responses I have seen suggested to me that the "average" Hearts fan gives a toss about sectarian singing.

Regarding your mates, wonder what it would be like if they were black? And Hearts fans were singing about coons or nignogs - certainly the media would (rightly) be going mental about it, but perhaps sectarianism is so embedded in (some) parts of Scottish culture that nobody really cares?

Agreed, sectarianism remains the elephant in the room in Scotland. Discriminatory songs about other groups would be nipped in the bud immediately, and rightly so, yet sectarian chanting persists relatively freely. If their chant about Aaron Hughes hating Jews, for example, was sung by hundreds/thousands at matches, there would be bedlam and a media outcry. I don't understand why a similar zero tolerance approach hasn't been adopted after all these years in relation to Christian sectarianism.

[heid the baw]

Other than hearing the odd song at football matches I have personally never experienced sectarianism in Scotland. I once saw an orange parade going down leith walk in the early 80's but I somehow miraculously managed to survive the sounds of flutes and lambegs without a scratch.
It may not be a popular view, but really, how many people in Scotland are directly effected by sectarianism. None of my friends or family who support hearts are bigots.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I've just read the thread on Hunchback about this, and the vast majority of posts want it stopped. A thread on a Rangers forum about The Billy Boys would be very different, and I'd wager that anyone calling it bigoted would immediately be labelled a taig (ironically enough) and banned. I think there's hope for Hearts in relation to this, whereas The Rangers are a lost cause.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

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Anti Catholic bigotry is endemic across Scotland. The idea of it being a 'secret shame' is laughable, it's evident in numerous spheres and there is no will to do anything about it.

It's disappointing so many in that video appear to have jumped on the bandwagon but not really surprising. They probably heard it from their Dads who heard it from theirs and so on; it's normalised behaviour and I doubt many in the video even considered they were doing anything really wrong.

I was going through an application form for a job and going through the usual hr stuff it asked about religion. Specifically whether I was Catholic or protestant. I've never come across that in an application before. Company was Menzies

[Chorley Hibee]

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Agreed, sectarianism remains the elephant in the room in Scotland. Discriminatory songs about other groups would be nipped in the bud immediately, and rightly so, yet sectarian chanting persists relatively freely. If their chant about Aaron Hughes hating Jews, for example, was sung by hundreds/thousands at matches, there would be bedlam and a media outcry. I don't understand why a similar zero tolerance approach hasn't been adopted after all these years in relation to Christian sectarianism.

Correct, if the songs we hear on a weekly basis, from Sveco and Hearts, were directed at any other religious faction, there would be public condemnation from mainstream media, government comments on the matter, and undoubtedly action taken by the both the governing bodies and the clubs involved.

Anti-catholic bigotry in our country is indeed the elephant in the room, yet still the majority of the powers that be continue giving tacit approval to this stain on our society.

[Hibzbollah]

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Other than hearing the odd song at football matches I have personally never experienced sectarianism in Scotland. I once saw an orange parade going down leith walk in the early 80's but I somehow miraculously managed to survive the sounds of flutes and lambegs without a scratch.
It may not be a popular view, but really, how many people in Scotland are directly effected by sectarianism. None of my friends or family who support hearts are bigots.

Sectarianism or Anti Irish racism as it should be known, isn't as big a problem today as it was when i was entering the world of work. I was baptised a Catholic but my family while all being Catholic attended the chapel infrequently. This approach also meant I went to a comprehensive as a pose to a Catholic school. So i never experienced any bigotry or racism while growing up. This changed when i started my aprenticeship with a well known employer in Edinburgh. In the '70's they had a racist (anti Catholic) recruitment policy that had recently been recinded. However, the culture remained. I recall one of the first questions I was asked in my first week was about the school I went to. When that didn't provide the bigotted supervisor with the answer he wanted he asked about my football team which is of course Hibs. On hearing this he replied "I knew it, with a name like yours you had to be a Fenian!" This then led to what felt like a good year of unfair treatment which really undemined my confidence. Interestingly it was Hawrts fans who were the main perpetrators. The one Hun supervisor in the training centre didn't openly pay much heed to it all.
This treatment had quite a dramatic impact me in my teenage years. I can only imagine what the impact of this culture was on Catholics in workplaces further West where it was more open.

The main point is that there are a hard core of these bigots at Tynie. I'd hoped it was disappearing. I know many Hearts fans who are decent and opposed to this. In my view they need to stand up to this and demand the board do something about it.

[SirDavidsNapper]

A few of my Jambo mates revel in the bigotry. It's far more prevalent amongst their support than ours.

[Smartie]

I genuinely don't know one Jambo who is into that type of stuff and as I said I know several Catholic Jambos, so I'm always a bit baffled by this stuff as it doesn't really sit with my experience of them.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Another week another video of Hearts fans singing bigoted or racist songs and another thread of Hibs fans shrugging their shoulders and saying ‘we all have them’.

Sorry but the racism, bigotry and xenophobia that comes out of that club is far more constant and sustained than the majority of other clubs in this country, including ours, and it’s getting worse.

[superfurryhibby]

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Other than hearing the odd song at football matches I have personally never experienced sectarianism in Scotland. I once saw an orange parade going down leith walk in the early 80's but I somehow miraculously managed to survive the sounds of flutes and lambegs without a scratch.
It may not be a popular view, but really, how many people in Scotland are directly effected by sectarianism. None of my friends or family who support hearts are bigots.

I am only guessing, but I imagine the percentage of Catholics in senior positions in some of our professions, such as; the Police, Judiciary, Government, Legal and Financial establishment, will not reflect the wider demographic of out country. I suppose you could also make similar inferences when considering gender and socio-economic background and arrive at the same conclusion, namely privilege and prejudice still play a big part in Scottish society.