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    Lowlifes like me never get near hospitality.
    Iím not so sure they get to drink inside the actual stadium now unless they are serving them booze in the posh seats now .
    Pretty much the same for me.......Enjoy the game :-)


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    And when introducing some laudable policies, they also introduced Atos.

    Living wage, peanuts, which should have been a real living wage.

    Sold the gold at its lowest ebb.

    Soft touch regulation on the banking authorities which allowed them to ride roughshod over people, and businesses.

    Then of course, Gordon got caught slagging off a member of the public, all of course after both he and Blair, sexed up a dossier to take us into an illegal war.

    If that's your socialism, (champagne style) you can ram it.
    But the point is, they didn’t practice Thatcherism, they practiced market-friendly centrism, while jacking up public spending massively.

    All of Blair’s most senior ministers in the early days had all had key positions around the leadership in the eighties. They hadn’t stopped being ‘tax and spend’, they just learned how to blanket it (and also benefitted from timing - a Tory government that had run its course just as the economic cycle was uplifting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    But the point is, they didnít practice Thatcherism, they practiced market-friendly centrism, while jacking up public spending massively.

    All of Blairís most senior ministers in the early days had all had key positions around the leadership in the eighties. They hadnít stopped being Ďtax and spendí, they just learned how to blanket it (and also benefitted from timing - a Tory government that had run itís course just as the economic cycle was uplifting).
    Thatcher lite, or hidden Thatcher, call it what you like, but it certainly wasn't socialism.

    Anyway, did you manage to get your jack into the proms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Thatcher lite, or hidden Thatcher, call it what you like, but it certainly wasn't socialism.

    Anyway, did you manage to get your jack into the proms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    EU flag for me
    That would be the one with the 28 independent countries on it represented by stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    But the point is, they didnít practice Thatcherism, they practiced market-friendly centrism, while jacking up public spending massively.

    All of Blairís most senior ministers in the early days had all had key positions around the leadership in the eighties. They hadnít stopped being Ďtax and spendí, they just learned how to blanket it (and also benefitted from timing - a Tory government that had run its course just as the economic cycle was uplifting).
    Hoi, labour, what this red flag stuff?

    Well, old chap, it's actually market friendly centrism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Thatcher lite, or hidden Thatcher, call it what you like, but it certainly wasn't socialism.

    Anyway, did you manage to get your jack into the proms?

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    Re your first sentence, I think you are right, it wasnít socialism in the old sense but I also would argue that it was impossible to stand and impossible to win on a prospectus of traditional socialism at that time.

    The Partyís reputation for fiscal competence had been hammered but more importantly the world had moved on and the entire narrative had changed. Labour would have stayed out of power in 1997 had it not done the dirty work of reinventing itself, but more importantly being perceived as reinventing itself.

    That got them electoral trust which then allowed them to win and introduce policies that the Tories would have demolished them for, earlier. Remember the penny on National Insurance to increase NHS funding? If Labour had pushed that as a policy in the mid-Nineties it would have been perceived as Ďsame old Labourí. When they did introduce it, there was barely a murmur, possibly the most positive tax rise in history in fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    That would be the one with the 28 independent countries on it represented by stars.

    Dirty nats. ⭐
    Thats one way of looking at it.

    The EEC essentially came about to bind Germany and France together though. There had been several centuries of devastating war in western and central Europe. There have been several decades of peace since.

    Iím pragmatic about it but at the core of the EU project is a belief that we can break down artificial barriers, some of them based on the silliest reasons. Thatís worth believing in and maybe even twirling a flag for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Re your first sentence, I think you are right, it wasnít socialism in the old sense but I also would argue that it was impossible to stand and impossible to win on a prospectus of traditional socialism at that time.

    The Partyís reputation for fiscal competence had been hammered but more importantly the world had moved on and the entire narrative had changed. Labour would have stayed out of power in 1997 had it not done the dirty work of reinventing itself, but more importantly being perceived as reinventing itself.

    That got them electoral trust which then allowed them to win and introduce policies that the Tories would have demolished them for, earlier. Remember the penny on National Insurance to increase NHS funding? If Labour had pushed that as a policy in the mid-Nineties it would have been perceived as Ďsame old Labourí. When they did introduce it, there was barely a murmur, possibly the most positive tax rise in history in fact.
    Have labour ever had a reputation for fiscal competence?

    Seems to me, the Tory press always have them as the tax and spend party.

    Take a look at the actual spending of the Tories v labour in the last 30 years, and you'll find a different story to what the media would have you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Have labour ever had a reputation for fiscal competence?

    Seems to me, the Tory press always have them as the tax and spend party.

    Take a look at the actual spending of the Tories v labour in the last 30 years, and you'll find a different story to what the media would have you think.

    Enjoy your evening.
    Brown and Blair wooed the markets in the mid-nineties, the announcement to stick to Tory spending plans in the run-up to 1997 was a master stroke. It essentially took away the Toriesí biggest weapon.

    I think youíre right, thereís no denying that Tory governments havenít been shy of spending and the whole pattern is one of increase. There was however a big rise after 2001, a lot of it Ďoff the booksí and of course a massive jump when the banks got bailed out.
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    I'm thinking there wasn't a ban of saltires and maybe an over enthusiastic steward has said naw, like they sometimes do with any other major event. Unfortunately, you've got bawbags from all sides trying to reaffirm their political positions on this thread from something that is fairly minor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    I'm thinking there wasn't a ban of saltires and maybe an over enthusiastic steward has said naw, like they sometimes do with any other major event. Unfortunately, you've got bawbags from all sides trying to reaffirm their political positions on this thread from something that is fairly minor.
    I don't know what exactly went on but I would think that the debate about people not being allowed to fly their national flag in their own country couldn't be described as "fairly minor".

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    I don't know what exactly went on but I would think that the debate about people not being allowed to fly their national flag in their own country couldn't be described as "fairly minor".
    I don't think it comes down to anyone not being allowed to fly their national flag. It'll be a few jobsworth steward(s) overstepping the mark like they so often do. But that doesn't mean that some on the other side arent just as bad

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    I don't know what exactly went on but I would think that the debate about people not being allowed to fly their national flag in their own country couldn't be described as "fairly minor".
    If it was true I agree, but it was not. Unless you have evidence to the contrary? We have already seen picture evidence of saltires and Union Jacks at the event.

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    The problem with the Saltire is that it's currently perceived as being associated with rabid nationalists in the form of the snp. The sooner the snp are put to bed the sooner Scotland can begin the healing process of creating harmony in place of the politics of very nasty divisive nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The problem with the Saltire is that it's currently perceived as being associated with rabid nationalists in the form of the snp. The sooner the snp are put to bed the sooner Scotland can begin the healing process of creating harmony in place of the politics of very nasty divisive nationalism.
    It's only perceived that way by narrow minded folk with their own agenda. Most right minded people see it as their national flag. Waved at sporting events, music events, stuck on cars, used in company logos, used in sports clubs logos, tattooed on folk of all political persuasions, used by TV companies, even BBC Scotland use it. This debate was started by on of those narrow minded folk who actually said we should be embarrassed by it after losing a football game, if only I could remember who it was??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The problem with the Saltire is that it's currently perceived as being associated with rabid nationalists in the form of the snp. The sooner the snp are put to bed the sooner Scotland can begin the healing process of creating harmony in place of the politics of very nasty divisive nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    If it was true I agree, but it was not. Unless you have evidence to the contrary? We have already seen picture evidence of saltires and Union Jacks at the event.
    I've no clue as to whether it's true or not, that's why I've not added to the debate. I was merely pointing out that the subject is not trivial.

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    I've no clue as to whether it's true or not, that's why I've not added to the debate. I was merely pointing out that the subject is not trivial.
    It's not trivial and I think every one would condemn any event or gathering where Saltires were banned deliberately but Union Jacks allowed. But it never happened so the debate is pretty one sided, if true its a ridiculous thing to do and even on here you will not find many who would support something like that. Just as well it wasn't true and proved to be fake.

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    I've no clue as to whether it's true or not, that's why I've not added to the debate. I was merely pointing out that the subject is not trivial.
    The irony of course being those who feel most strongly, on both sides, are the ones who have trivialised it and turned it into the usual predictable partisan point scoring.
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    The problem with the Saltire is that it's currently perceived as being associated with rabid nationalists in the form of the snp. The sooner the snp are put to bed the sooner Scotland can begin the healing process of creating harmony in place of the politics of very nasty divisive nationalism.
    This from a rabid British nationalist.. do you see the irony..

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    Grown up politics in a progressive, forward thinking and modern Scotland eh?
    It's the civic and joyous nature of the debate that's so compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The problem with the Saltire is that it's currently perceived as being associated with rabid nationalists in the form of the snp. The sooner the snp are put to bed the sooner Scotland can begin the healing process of creating harmony in place of the politics of very nasty divisive nationalism.
    You read some ***** on here eh?

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    You read some ***** on here eh?
    Thatís the biggest load of crap Iíve read anywhere not just here..

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    Just catching up on this thread today and I'm speechless at the complete seperation from reality that some folks in this world exhibit :-/

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