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10-09-2019 11:04 AM #361
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10-09-2019 11:08 AM #362
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Another thing that causes the problem and it's been touched on above, is that almost all football has to be "organised" My eldest's (9) team got beat 4-1 on Saturday morning and I was expecting a reaction, a go out, call on your friends and play football for a few hours and try and improve type reaction. Instead, he wanted to play fortnite all day. I can guarantee, that when we get to training on Wednesday and I ask the boys who all has been out playing football since Saturday that 1 or maybe 2 out of 10 hands will go up.
If folk aren't out there playing with their pals, and learning through doing, what chance have any of them got? Part of the problem as well, is that half of their parents won't let them out of their eyesight. Ohhh i can't walk the 300m to that grass pitch, my mum/dad says it's too far. When the parent themselves would have been allowed a much freer reign!
So, so frustrating.
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10-09-2019 11:33 AM #363This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I was briefly involved in helping out with the local primary school teams twenty years ago and observed exactly the same. In actual fact, the mothers that attended some of the games were the worst. I even attempted to calm some of them down a couple of times but that was a very dangerous venture.
Sounds like nothing much has changed.
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10-09-2019 11:38 AM #364This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When I was a kid we all finished school then immediately had a kick about. No teachers, parents or coaches involved.
Now they don't. It's phones, tablets and Nandos etc.
Kids generally don't play nearly as much sport as they did decades ago, it's nobody's fault, it's just the way it is.
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10-09-2019 11:50 AM #365
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Sort of late to the thread but my own twopence worth would be that Scottish International Football started a steep decline when the international v England was abandoned. That was our benchmark and if we could win that game we were satisfied. Equally, if we could win that game it put us right up there amongst the top teams in the world.
It was politics that stopped this oldest of all international matches but it led to a free fall in out standing in international circles.
Reintroduce the England match on an annual basis and our Raison d’etre is restored. May take a couple of seasons but we would soon catch up IMHO
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10-09-2019 11:51 AM #366This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
France still seem to be doing OK though.
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10-09-2019 12:04 PM #367
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Not having a go at you as no doubt technology is changing things but that's not just in Scotland. The "things were different in my day" doesn't really work when the changes are happening across the globe as well as Scotland.
I'm not sure I have the answer but I know it's not just Fortnite, smartphones etc.
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10-09-2019 12:23 PM #368This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Surely Scotland being successful shouldn’t matter on people’s backgrounds?
Andy Murray / Jamie Murray
Chris Hoy - Watson’s
Scottish Rugby Team
Just a few recent issues examples of players who have had a solid education and doing well.
I’m sorry but Scotland are missing out on a lot of good athletes as they don’t go near private schools.
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10-09-2019 12:31 PM #369
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10-09-2019 12:36 PM #370This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What are kids in Iceland, Belgium, Northern Ireland etc. doing?
There is something seriously wrong with the game in this country given the staggering decline in the last 20 years. The powers that be clearly have no idea how to stop this. Their silence is pathetic. I have pretty much zero respect for the organisations running our game.
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10-09-2019 12:44 PM #371This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I remember seeing stats on an article a while back in relation to rugby, and it was about the number of people in a particular country who "play that sport regularly". There was a direct correlation between the number of people who play rugby regularly and the quality of the national side. Smaller countries like Ireland, New Zealand or Wales had huge numbers of people per head of population who actually played rugby regularly when compared to much bigger countries like England or France.
I wonder how many Scots genuinely play football regularly compared to Uruguay or Croatia, forgetting for a minute countries like Brazil, Russia or the USA?
I'm speculating here, but if we're not playing enough (or as much), why aren't we playing enough?
That's where the genuine conversation can come in about xboxes, parents' terror of paedophiles around every corner, access to indoor football pitches etc etc.
I've not got that much experience of youth coaching and I have no idea what happens at pro clubs. I have a 9 year old nephew who loves his football and plays for his local team, his dad (himself a former coach) says the standard of coaching, the commitment of the boys to their team and everything like that is faultless. When the national team lose a match and we start slaughtering folk like the guys who run his team, I always get the feeling we're missing the target.
Another thing my brother says - his wee boy plays a couple of times a week in organised football and he loves it, yet he never plays with his pals. Whenever I go over he loves just booting a ball about with me so it's not that he doesn't want to play. In his case it's more that he lives a bit out of the way, somewhere where there are fewer kids around.
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10-09-2019 12:47 PM #372
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10-09-2019 12:55 PM #373
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Bottom line, the Scotland rugby team hold their own close to the top of an exceptionally high-quality field at international level, something the footballers can only dream of.
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10-09-2019 01:01 PM #374This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The SRU transformed rugby in this country, the SFA can surely take something from that given that football draws in bigger crowds, more advertising revenue and has at least one club game a week on tele.
As for Kris Boyd, all slaver with no substance whatsoever. All the more concerning is that he doesn’t seem to think we’ve hit rock bottom. How much ****ter do we need to be?
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10-09-2019 01:07 PM #375
Do we still have working and middle classes? There's still upper class as we've all seen in recent government events but I think the rest get merged together.
I would say the main thing missing is hunger and desire, too many players thinking they've made it when in reality they're only half way there. McGinn being a great example, worked very hard to get where he is, he was one of the better players on Friday and I don't think he came from a poor working class background.
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10-09-2019 01:12 PM #377
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Croatia: 4.154m
Serbia: 7.022m
ROI: 4.784m
Belgium: 11.35m
So we can dispense with that old chestnut. So what are the other possible factors?
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Factor 1: national psyche.
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Factor 2: kids indoors too much.
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Belgium: Spain, England, Japan, France, Belgium, Italy.
Serbia: Spain, Italy, Germany, England, Holland.
Croatia: Croatia, Scotland, Turkey, England, Denmark, Italy, Spain, Russia, Germany.
See where I'm going with this?
Scotland: Scotland, England.
I don't think it's insignificant that pretty much 100% of Scottish players seem utterly allergic to pursuing their fortunes overseas, which I think is in large part due to fear of learning other languages. In our entire squad last night, only Johnny Russell plays outside this island (in the USA). I can think of Bates and of course Liam Henderson Delivers (who isn't even in the conversation?), but other than that, you get the drift. Our footballers are incredibly parochial, and I think that has a bearing on being able to adapt to different styles of play at international level, and also in a subtler sense, they are simply not used to being outside their own wee bubble in general, other than transferring to a big hotel in Dubai. So -
Factor 3: Our footballers never leave the domestic scene (or British scene, more accurately).
As a final observation, the Croatian league is also utterly dominated by two teams (Dinamo Zagreb and Hadjuk Split), going back to 1992 its top league has only been won twice outside those two sides. Similarly, going back to 1992, the Serbian league has only been won once by a team other than the Belgrade two, Partizan and Red Star. My instinct though is to say that, related to the above, their players perhaps see playing for the big two sides as simply a stepping-stone to leaving, whereas in Scotland, so many seem satisfied with that being the pinnacle of their career - at best, they will try their hand in England for a wee while.
Factor 4: The Old Firm are not in and of themselves the problem.
So what is to be done? **** knows, I'm afraid. The situation seems endemic, and it doesn't help that the people charged with driving our game seem to have all the vision of a Morningside golf club committee.
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10-09-2019 01:16 PM #378This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Don't agree with your last sentence either. In the 6N, Scotland are routine wooden spoon contenders with Italy. Only England have broken the NZ/Aus/SA stranglehold of the world cup. Ireland/Wales/France could conceivably push into that group. So that's an international elite of 4-7 teams.
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10-09-2019 01:35 PM #379
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I don't doubt there's steroid use across a lot of sports (tennis comes under the spotlight a lot) but is abuse really 'rampant' in rugby?
I wasn't saying Scotland are among the elite of world rugby, just pointing out that by and large they manage to remain relatively competitive, even against the top sides - something we can't say about our footballers.
I'd suggest that (for a long time now) you're likely to get better value for money at a Scotland rugby match than watching the football team - perhaps illustrated by the fact over 52k were at a Murrayfield friendly at the same time as Scotland were taking on Russia in a Hampden qualifier in front of 20k fewer fans.
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10-09-2019 01:46 PM #380
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That way it should eradicate the behaviour that we currently see and what I have mentioned.
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10-09-2019 01:54 PM #381This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The people who won't be able to afford to pay to play football will be very small and I'm sure if the player had the talent then there would be a way found to get around it.
Football is increasingly expensive but folk make sacrifices to give their kids opportunities. Boyd will hear a lot of moaning about what he charges and that sort of stuff rubs off on you. The bottom line is it must be pretty amazing to be a kid who goes to a Kris Boyd football school, he has his outgoings and charges appropriately. It's wrong to extrapolate that into something it isn't.
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10-09-2019 01:56 PM #382This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Practice makes perfect has been a mantra for thousands of years for a reason.
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10-09-2019 02:01 PM #383This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Actually it's not just the gymn time. The star of the rugby team my son used to play in has just been discarded from the SRU's elite pathway because he's deemed too small. He's about 5'10" I think and plays stand off. Not slightly built either.
On steroids:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mpic-games-rio
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...oblem-15313345
I think the Scottish football team have reached the sort of depths the rugby team were in about the time of Frank Hadden.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...sh/6389855.stm
To be fair to the rugby team and the SRU, they've turned it a long way round since then.
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10-09-2019 02:32 PM #384
To do the kind of revamp of the national game that the Belgians did would require the SFA to spend money. Unfortunately Petrie has a massive infrastructure project at Hampden to do first. Probably get round to it about 2035. We’ll have a great team in 2050.
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10-09-2019 02:45 PM #385
Nothing more depressing than a large grass area with a "No Ball Games" sign, some kids use to kick a ball in front of my house, sometimes it ended up in the garden no biggy, police turned up once cause there had been a complaint (I know who), I said I'd rather see kids playing on it,than some fecken twats precious car parked on it, cause he has to see it from his living room window!!
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10-09-2019 03:02 PM #386
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10-09-2019 03:02 PM #387
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10-09-2019 03:05 PM #388
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I'm going to see if i have any Dutch or Italian heritage so i can start following them. It's pish being Scottish. Quite fancy taking in a Euros/World cup and i ain't supporting England.
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10-09-2019 03:36 PM #389This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They want the instant glory and success but don't want to have to put in any effort to get it.
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