Marvin Bartley

[PatHead]

Thought he was doing okay until he got injured. Any word on how bad his injury is?

It is a position that we do not have any cover for and might hurry up a signing.

[Johnny_Leith]

Somebody put up in another thread he could be out for up to 8 weeks. He looked gutted coming off.

[Borderhibbie76]

Lennon said post match up to 8 weeks so we are now even shorter in middle of park...few rabbits need to be pulled out a hat very soon

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[Malthibby]

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Somebody put up in another thread he could be out for up to 8 weeks. He looked gutted coming off.

If it's a hamstring he's out for a good while, bloody shame. As was me calling it a hamstering before I noticed. That wouldn't have been good either.......
GG

[PatHead]

Not good news when he had just started a run in the team.

[Unseen work]

Big big miss.

[Winston Ingram]

If Marv is out for 8weeks our back 3 are sitting ducks.

[MacGruber]

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If Marv is out for 8weeks our back 3 are sitting ducks.

Rocky
McGregor
Bartley
McGeough
Allan
McGinn
Barker

No wonder really

[Scouse Hibee]

Yes will be a big miss yet some were saying he was finished and not good enough on here a few weeks back.

[theonlywayisup]

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Rocky
McGregor
Bartley
McGeough
Allan
McGinn
Barker

No wonder really

In addition to those players, I don't think that Kamberi and Maclaren are up to anywhere near their performance level of last season.

[Allant1981]

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In addition to those players, I don't think that Kamberi and Maclaren are up to anywhere near their performance level of last season.

Kamberi is clearly carrying an injury and maclaren has hardly played, the service they got last night was non existant, hopefully in the next few games we get someone in that midfield who can dictate play and get them involved

[blackpoolhibs]

Could be a blessing in disguise, we need better than big Marv in my opinion. Yes he's very good at breaking up play, but lets be honest here, he is poor when put under pressure on the ball, and gives us nothing going forward.

When we had McGeouch, he could get the ball in, retain it and recycle it quickly. Big Marvin takes an age to get the ball moving, because he's not that comfortable on it.

He's had some fantastic games for us in the past, although having the players around him that he had, made it easier for him.

Now i'm sorry, but we need better, we need someone much better in possession who can play under pressure, who can start things off and get round the pitch putting the opposition under pressure to by winning the ball and getting things going.

[Hibee Mac]

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Could be a blessing in disguise, we need better than big Marv in my opinion. Yes he's very good at breaking up play, but lets be honest here, he is poor when put under pressure on the ball, and gives us nothing going forward.

When we had McGeouch, he could get the ball in, retain it and recycle it quickly. Big Marvin takes an age to get the ball moving, because he's not that comfortable on it.

He's had some fantastic games for us in the past, although having the players around him that he had, made it easier for him.

Now i'm sorry, but we need better, we need someone much better in possession who can play under pressure, who can start things off and get round the pitch putting the opposition under pressure to by winning the ball and getting things going.

Totally agree.

We need Glen Kamara.

[Dancehibs]

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Could be a blessing in disguise, we need better than big Marv in my opinion. Yes he's very good at breaking up play, but lets be honest here, he is poor when put under pressure on the ball, and gives us nothing going forward.

When we had McGeouch, he could get the ball in, retain it and recycle it quickly. Big Marvin takes an age to get the ball moving, because he's not that comfortable on it.

He's had some fantastic games for us in the past, although having the players around him that he had, made it easier for him.

Now i'm sorry, but we need better, we need someone much better in possession who can play under pressure, who can start things off and get round the pitch putting the opposition under pressure to by winning the ball and getting things going.

Agree. Marv was average in first division and slowed game down. Hence Lenny didn’t play him much last season

[Winston Ingram]

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Could be a blessing in disguise, we need better than big Marv in my opinion. Yes he's very good at breaking up play, but lets be honest here, he is poor when put under pressure on the ball, and gives us nothing going forward.

When we had McGeouch, he could get the ball in, retain it and recycle it quickly. Big Marvin takes an age to get the ball moving, because he's not that comfortable on it.

He's had some fantastic games for us in the past, although having the players around him that he had, made it easier for him.

Now i'm sorry, but we need better, we need someone much better in possession who can play under pressure, who can start things off and get round the pitch putting the opposition under pressure to by winning the ball and getting things going.

I don't agree at all. I think he's fantastic at what he does and we look far better with him on the pitch. He sniffs out danger brilliantly and I can't ever remember him performing badly in a big game. He's had a brilliant start to the season and automatically made our back 3 look less shaky and freed up our other midfielders to go forward.

People focus on a supposed limited passing range. He gets it and gives it to the players with a better passing range. If he had a better one he'd likely be playing further forward.

Claude Makelele was arrguably the best holding midfielder in recent times. He certainly didn't have a great passing range. He just read the game, got it and gave it.

[Brooster]

Playing Bartley for 80 mins in the home leg was one of the reasons we didn't take a lead to Molde. I can also see the merits in playing him last night, he would never have let the guy waltz through for the 2nd goal.

[Winston Ingram]

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In addition to those players, I don't think that Kamberi and Maclaren are up to anywhere near their performance level of last season.

Kamberi is clearly struggling with the injury. Let's be honest, Maclaren is nothing but a poacher. If he's not scoring he offers little else.

[Winston Ingram]

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Playing Bartley for 80 mins in the home leg was one of the reasons we didn't take a lead to Molde. I can also see the merits in playing him last night, he would never have let the guy waltz through for the 2nd goal.

He was one of the reasons they Molde didn't take a lead to Molde.

[Brooster]

Molde didn't need (and didn't really try) to take a lead to Molde. On the other hand we really needed to take a lead to Molde.

[keep the faith]

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Totally agree.

We need Glen Kamara.

Genuine question on the clamour for Kamara. I remember him starting last season well but did he keep it up?

Can't remember much of him beyond early season. I could be wrong though.

[Borderhibbie76]

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In addition to those players, I don't think that Kamberi and Maclaren are up to anywhere near their performance level of last season.

Because they aren't getting anything like the service they were getting last year from Dylan McGinn and Allan - that's the issue. That and the fact both are clearly not 100% fit

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[Borderhibbie76]

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Could be a blessing in disguise, we need better than big Marv in my opinion. Yes he's very good at breaking up play, but lets be honest here, he is poor when put under pressure on the ball, and gives us nothing going forward.

When we had McGeouch, he could get the ball in, retain it and recycle it quickly. Big Marvin takes an age to get the ball moving, because he's not that comfortable on it.

He's had some fantastic games for us in the past, although having the players around him that he had, made it easier for him.

Now i'm sorry, but we need better, we need someone much better in possession who can play under pressure, who can start things off and get round the pitch putting the opposition under pressure to by winning the ball and getting things going.

Couldn't agree more...I love big Marv but he's so limited in possession and moving the ball forward severely restricts our creativity especially when playing a back 3 - we need better for certain

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[Diclonius]

I would stick Martin in until we sign another DM tbh. See what he can do. Whittaker isn't on form right now.

[BILLYHIBS]

On the contrary to other posters on here. I think big Marv has been doing ok lately indeed I would go as far to say the turning point last night was when he went off injured. We lost our holding player in midfield an intimidating presence in the middle of the park left our back three exposed and we had to change our shape. Our lack of strength in depth became apparent for all to see that weakness being another reason why Molde held all the trump cards imo!

[Borderhibbie76]

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On the contrary to other posters on here. I think big Marv has been doing ok lately indeed I would go as far to say the turning point last night was when he went off injured. We lost our holding player in midfield an intimidating presence in the middle of the park left our back three exposed and we had to change our shape. Our lack of strength in depth became apparent for all to see that weakness being another reason why Molde held all the trump cards imo!

I agree with you in regards to last night Billy but playing Marv in the home leg meant a real lack of creativity in the middle of the park - We always struggle to break teams down when we play Marv plus a back 3 - he doesn't offer nearly enough in a forward sense. Games like last night and the uglies away and tiny-castle are made for Marv but apart from those types of games we need something else in his place...and I feel bad saying that as I love the big guy.

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[allezsauzee]

Regardless of whether Marv is injured for a bit or not, Mulumbu is the man I want to see signed up. Marv is a big player defensively , however in games where dominate possession, I think it's better to have a player who can move the ball quicker.

[Smartie]

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I agree with you in regards to last night Billy but playing Marv in the home leg meant a real lack of creativity in the middle of the park - We always struggle to break teams down when we play Marv plus a back 3 - he doesn't offer nearly enough in a forward sense. Games like last night and the uglies away and tiny-castle are made for Marv but apart from those types of games we need something else in his place...and I feel bad saying that as I love the big guy.

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The home leg was a decent result - our problems came last night.

We didn't defend well enough and were lacking in the final third.

When Bartley was on the park we were doing fine, and he wasn't remotely culpable for the goal.

He's a proper defensive midfielder, the type you need in these games and he stopped them making chances.

It is the job of other players to create, and they didn't do it.

[jeffers]

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I don't agree at all. I think he's fantastic at what he does and we look far better with him on the pitch. He sniffs out danger brilliantly and I can't ever remember him performing badly in a big game. He's had a brilliant start to the season and automatically made our back 3 look less shaky and freed up our other midfielders to go forward.

People focus on a supposed limited passing range. He gets it and gives it to the players with a better passing range. If he had a better one he'd likely be playing further forward.

Claude Makelele was arrguably the best holding midfielder in recent times. He certainly didn't have a great passing range. He just read the game, got it and gave it.

Glad it's not just me, he's very good at what he does. I'm fed up with people focussing on his negatives. We looked less solid after he went off last night. He's there to do a job, which he does very well.

[Dancehibs]

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The home leg was a decent result - our problems came last night.

We didn't defend well enough and were lacking in the final third.

When Bartley was on the park we were doing fine, and he wasn't remotely culpable for the goal.

He's a proper defensive midfielder, the type you need in these games and he stopped them making chances.

It is the job of other players to create, and they didn't do it.

I don’t know what a proper defensive midfielder is but a good when takes ball from defence and links the play. Marv can’t do that. He was also lost for first goal as were others

[BILLYHIBS]

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I agree with you in regards to last night Billy but playing Marv in the home leg meant a real lack of creativity in the middle of the park - We always struggle to break teams down when we play Marv plus a back 3 - he doesn't offer nearly enough in a forward sense. Games like last night and the uglies away and tiny-castle are made for Marv but apart from those types of games we need something else in his place...and I feel bad saying that as I love the big guy.

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Agree! Last night was made for Marv you could see the Norwegian players if not afraid were apprehensive about Big Marv. In the first leg I reckon Lennys hand was forced as we had little other option he did not know what to expect from Molde and if it did turn into a physical battle Marv was already there safe to say if SJM had still been at the club he would have started with Marv benched just in case it did get physical