Official HSL - What if we got through ?

[OfficialHSL]

Charter Flight Interest- Minsk/St. Petersburg

Can we of course immediately point out that we are not being presumptuous here and as life long Hibees we know we should never be too optimistic. The reality however is that should we be lucky or good enough to progress in this tournament we would only have a week to organise things and if we leave things until the last minute the only people who will pay is our own supporters.

Prior to the flight for Molde we sought to establish the level of interest for a Charter Flight for our supporters. While this was helpful there were a number who had indicated their desire for such a flight but did not progress to purchase. The flight sold in just over 24 hours with a number on the waiting list.

With all of this in mind we would like to be better prepared should we get through. A very preliminary discussion with Agents suggests that St Petersburg would simply not be possible in the time available bearing in mind Visa requirements so we are not taking that interest any further.

To help us establish the level of true interest in this we have already invited existing Members to make a donation of £5 to HSL. We are now inviting Non Members to make a donation of £10 to HSL. This exercise allows us to :

1. Understand demand
2. Email this priority group quickly if events unfold favourably

If this is of any interest to our supporters it is important that the following is fully understood and accepted :

• If we don’t qualify there will not be any refunds
• If a flight cannot be secured at an affordable price we will not progress matters and again we cannot refund any donations made

Please however bear in mind where your donations go, so in either circumstance our Team benefits.

We have made enquiries for a day trip and indicated that we believe that our supporters would not have any interest at a price greater than £650


If you believe this is something that you would take up please donate at:

www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk

Please remember that existing Members or those who have previously contributed can only donate from your Members page. No Members can donate in the normal way. You will appreciate that we are simply trying to offer some assistance here so please only respond if your interest is very serious. We will not respond directly to individual emails at this stage as we are just establishing the level on interest, if any.

HSL

[Dancehibs]

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Charter Flight Interest- Minsk/St. Petersburg

Can we of course immediately point out that we are not being presumptuous here and as life long Hibees we know we should never be too optimistic. The reality however is that should we be lucky or good enough to progress in this tournament we would only have a week to organise things and if we leave things until the last minute the only people who will pay is our own supporters.

Prior to the flight for Molde we sought to establish the level of interest for a Charter Flight for our supporters. While this was helpful there were a number who had indicated their desire for such a flight but did not progress to purchase. The flight sold in just over 24 hours with a number on the waiting list.

With all of this in mind we would like to be better prepared should we get through. A very preliminary discussion with Agents suggests that St Petersburg would simply not be possible in the time available bearing in mind Visa requirements so we are not taking that interest any further.

To help us establish the level of true interest in this we have already invited existing Members to make a donation of £5 to HSL. We are now inviting Non Members to make a donation of £10 to HSL. This exercise allows us to :

1. Understand demand
2. Email this priority group quickly if events unfold favourably

If this is of any interest to our supporters it is important that the following is fully understood and accepted :

• If we don’t qualify there will not be any refunds
• If a flight cannot be secured at an affordable price we will not progress matters and again we cannot refund any donations made

Please however bear in mind where your donations go, so in either circumstance our Team benefits.

We have made enquiries for a day trip and indicated that we believe that our supporters would not have any interest at a price greater than £650


If you believe this is something that you would take up please donate at:

www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk

Please remember that existing Members or those who have previously contributed can only donate from your Members page. No Members can donate in the normal way. You will appreciate that we are simply trying to offer some assistance here so please only respond if your interest is very serious. We will not respond directly to individual emails at this stage as we are just establishing the level on interest, if any.

HSL

It feels wrong asking fans to pay money to register interest. Also, interesting who said willing to pay £650. Company running flight to Molde is a commercial firm making money for providing a service. Should they not be doing something to understand if they call sell circa 150 seats to Minsk? Out of interest do HSL get a cut?

[Heckys Wheel]

I cannae get my head round this.

[Albanian Hibs]

I am interested but I wont be paying any money towards it at the moment.

[Hibs90]

Why not just send out an e-mail to members and ask if they are interested instead of trying to fish more donations?

[Hermit Crab]

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I am interested but I wont be paying any money towards it at the moment.

Correct, and if Hibs get horsed out tomorrow are they going to refund donations for looking into this? No chance!

[Hermit Crab]

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Why not just send out an e-mail to members and ask if they are interested instead of trying to fish more donations?

[Future17]

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Why not just send out an e-mail to members and ask if they are interested instead of trying to fish more donations?

Can only presume many more people indicated interest last time than ultimately went for it.

[Dancehibs]

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Can only presume many more people indicated interest last time than ultimately went for it.

My friends just dealt directly with the company they have no interaction or relationship with HSL

[Dancehibs]

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Why not just send out an e-mail to members and ask if they are interested instead of trying to fish more donations?

How does it work? Do HSL get a cut ?

[RyeSloan]

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Can only presume many more people indicated interest last time than ultimately went for it.

Which is always the way as anyone who has ever organised something like this knows..it goes something like this...


We’re planning a trip

I’M IN DEFO, NO MATTER WHAT

Trip organised

GREAT

Payment required

IM OOT SORRY

[tynehibs]

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Correct, and if Hibs get horsed out tomorrow are they going to refund donations for looking into this? No chance!

Why would they refund ? This goes to the club

[Future17]

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My friends just dealt directly with the company they have no interaction or relationship with HSL

I'm not sure of the relevance of this.

[Speedy]

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Can only presume many more people indicated interest last time than ultimately went for it.

Of course there were. They asked people to note their interest in finding out more about flight costs, not to commit to going on the flight.

[oldbutdim]

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Correct, and if Hibs get horsed out tomorrow are they going to refund donations for looking into this? No chance!

"If we don’t qualify there will not be any refunds" seems to be clear enough.

[Future17]

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Of course there were. They asked people to note their interest in finding out more about flight costs, not to commit to going on the flight.

Agreed, but you also get a lot of time-wasters

[WhileTheChief..]

Great initiative from the OP, sad that most of the replies thus far have been negative though.

If anyone is genuinely interested in going then I don’t think £5 will put them off. If it scares you, then best not venture to Norway anyways as a fiver won’t buy you much there!

[CropleyWasGod]

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How does it work? Do HSL get a cut ?

I would doubt it, but I don't think many would object if they did.

[Lemonade]

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Great initiative from the OP, sad that most of the replies thus far have been negative though.

If anyone is genuinely interested in going then I don’t think £5 will put them off. If it scares you, then best not venture to Norway anyways as a fiver won’t buy you much there!

Sorts out the dreamers from the truly interested parties.

[Dancehibs]

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I would doubt it, but I don't think many would object if they did.

Definitely not. But would be good to know

[OfficialHSL]

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It feels wrong asking fans to pay money to register interest. Also, interesting who said willing to pay £650. Company running flight to Molde is a commercial firm making money for providing a service. Should they not be doing something to understand if they call sell circa 150 seats to Minsk? Out of interest do HSL get a cut?

Dancehibs

We are sorrow that you are not keen on how we have tried to tackle this task, please allow us to explain.

The key thing we are trying to establish is the likely take up of a potential offer, were it required. We tried this before and as many others will tell you, we found out with the last excercise, when it doesn't "cost" anything to register the interest the resultant list isn't very useful. Our main reason for doing this is that we are trying to demonstrate to potential operators that it is worth their time spending time and effort trying to secure a plane in the market at a very difficult time of year. Teams like Arsenal, Manchester United etc have long track records of such trips therefore likely demand levels are highly predictable. For us, it is not that predictable. We at HSL don't mind wasting time and effort on this as we are all volunteers.

Initial feedback on this enquiry indicated that it would be very difficult to secure a plane, and if possible, prices would be very high. Speaking to a number of supporters suggested that given the costs so far this season there wouldn't be many supporters willing or able to pay any more than £650 so we were simply trying to be realistic here.

In answer to your last question, no , HSL will not "get a cut". Any funds donated to HSL is simply passed to our Club. All of the Directors are volunteers.

Trust this helps.

HSL

[OfficialHSL]

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Why not just send out an e-mail to members and ask if they are interested instead of trying to fish more donations?

King Dom

We tried this the last time and received a large number, many with +3 or +4 and many of these just didn't materialise.


HSL

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Dancehibs

We are sorrow that you are not keen on how we have tried to tackle this task, please allow us to explain.

The key thing we are trying to establish is the likely take up of a potential offer, were it required. We tried this before and as many others will tell you, we found out with the last excercise, when it doesn't "cost" anything to register the interest the resultant list isn't very useful. Our main reason for doing this is that we are trying to demonstrate to potential operators that it is worth their time spending time and effort trying to secure a plane in the market at a very difficult time of year. Teams like Arsenal, Manchester United etc have long track records of such trips therefore likely demand levels are highly predictable. For us, it is not that predictable. We at HSL don't mind wasting time and effort on this as we are all volunteers.

Initial feedback on this enquiry indicated that it would be very difficult to secure a plane, and if possible, prices would be very high. Speaking to a number of supporters suggested that given the costs so far this season there wouldn't be many supporters willing or able to pay any more than £650 so we were simply trying to be realistic here.

In answer to your last question, no , HSL will not "get a cut". Any funds donated to HSL is simply passed to our Club. All of the Directors are volunteers.

Trust this helps.

HSL

thanks for taking time to respond. Will it be the same company? Appreciate donating to HSL then goes to hibs. Apologies if I wasn’t clear. What I mean does company running the charter give HSL a cut of the fee paid ?

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Dancehibs

We are sorrow that you are not keen on how we have tried to tackle this task, please allow us to explain.

The key thing we are trying to establish is the likely take up of a potential offer, were it required. We tried this before and as many others will tell you, we found out with the last excercise, when it doesn't "cost" anything to register the interest the resultant list isn't very useful. Our main reason for doing this is that we are trying to demonstrate to potential operators that it is worth their time spending time and effort trying to secure a plane in the market at a very difficult time of year. Teams like Arsenal, Manchester United etc have long track records of such trips therefore likely demand levels are highly predictable. For us, it is not that predictable. We at HSL don't mind wasting time and effort on this as we are all volunteers.

Initial feedback on this enquiry indicated that it would be very difficult to secure a plane, and if possible, prices would be very high. Speaking to a number of supporters suggested that given the costs so far this season there wouldn't be many supporters willing or able to pay any more than £650 so we were simply trying to be realistic here.

In answer to your last question, no , HSL will not "get a cut". Any funds donated to HSL is simply passed to our Club. All of the Directors are volunteers.

Trust this helps.

HSL

HSL,
Is £650 the “expected” price then or perhaps less if numbers are good?

[OfficialHSL]

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Definitely not. But would be good to know

Dancehibs

See our previous answer - NO.

We don't know if you are an HSL Member or not but please allow us to explain. HSL isn't a private Company or third party. We are owned by ordinary Hibs supporters. We don't make profits, we try and raise funds for our Club. Our primary motive in our recent initiatives is to increase the profile of HSL with a view to increasing Membership levels and thus increase funds raised.

As previously stated, all Directors are volunteers.


HSL

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Dancehibs

See our previous answer - NO.

We don't know if you are an HSL Member or not but please allow us to explain. HSL isn't a private Company or third party. We are owned by ordinary Hibs supporters. We don't make profits, we try and raise funds for our Club. Our primary motive in our recent initiatives is to increase the profile of HSL with a view to increasing Membership levels and thus increase funds raised.

As previously stated, all Directors are volunteers.


HSL

Thanks for explaining, I’m not knowledgeable on companies and how things work.

[OfficialHSL]

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HSL,
Is £650 the “expected” price then or perhaps less if numbers are good?

Hibeerealist

It's really difficult to say. The only thing that is certain is that there are very few planes available as it is still the peak holiday period. Any operators around who have a plane know about the Football games and prefer to defer decisions until the last moment. As you can imagine they will make decisions based on how much money they can make and the market becomes clearer after the final whistles on Thursday night. All we can do just now is try and do a little homework that would assist on likely demand levels. Right now it is possible that some could quote £800/£900 per seat but depending on circumstances tomorrow that quote could change to £650 per head. We won't get any Agent spending too much time on this if the likely costs are at the higher level as the know that we, or indeed any Club, will not be able to fill a plane at such high prices.

We have received a quote of £3200 per head if we have 15 supporters who want to do it in style ?

HSL

[OfficialHSL]

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Thanks for explaining, I’m not knowledgeable on companies and how things work.

It's no problem at all.


HSL

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Hibeerealist

It's really difficult to say. The only thing that is certain is that there are very few planes available as it is still the peak holiday period. Any operators around who have a plane know about the Football games and prefer to defer decisions until the last moment. As you can imagine they will make decisions based on how much money they can make and the market becomes clearer after the final whistles on Thursday night. All we can do just now is try and do a little homework that would assist on likely demand levels. Right now it is possible that some could quote £800/£900 per seat but depending on circumstances tomorrow that quote could change to £650 per head. We won't get any Agent spending too much time on this if the likely costs are at the higher level as the know that we, or indeed any Club, will not be able to fill a plane at such high prices.

We have received a quote of £3200 per head if we have 15 supporters who want to do it in style ?

HSL

The travelling in style appeals but over 3k for a day trip, nooo.

thanks for explaining, I responded to the initial HSL email for Molde but at the price I did not take it up.

[Baldy]

I think if we get through, the people on tomorrows charter should be given first opportunity to be on the plane for the next round